J10 has other role to fill compared with the FC1. Why does India have MKI, Mirage2000 and the mig29? Well cause each plane has certani advantage and I do see the difference in design and qualities. About no Chinese avionics. Maybe China wants to keep the best internal and PAF has to look around to see what options it can have. FC1 program is body work by China and the rest by PAF… And it is good for both nations to see some other technical designs.
If Sabreace is correct then I still wonder why his nations main plane is still is mig21 AKA coffin. This personal bs is filled with nationalism. Some explanantions need to be given over and over again. India is not able to win this war hands down. It never will. Get used to that. And if IAF is so good then why is the past record show that they lose more planes then they shoot down? Well, we can add that peacetime losses are even worser. The last winning shot was at an unarmed naval plane… A trigger happy pilot shows that the quality still lacks. And we all know how well the maintenance is. Even the Russian companies are shocked about that…
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Ever heard about UAV at medium heigh and BVR bomb? Besides that high altitude dropping of guided bombs or anti eadar bomb? What about commando’s attacking radar installations? There are more options cause there is still ECM…
Airsuperiority is having a big role. I agree on that.
IAF airforce will have to gain airsuperiority over enemy territory. With lot of IR SAMS flying low is not the best option for the attacker. These choppers will come in action as support for the T80 and other better equipped tanks. Not just fly over Indian formations. And the PG´s, F7p´s, Mirages, F16 and JF17 are there to stop IAF. Besides that you do understand now why they bought or developed long distance missiles and bombs… 😀
That is all what they will need to do cause the army will have enough potential to stop the attack. In the past the airforce left the army alone and I do not think that will happen again.
Just reading that PAF send pilots to judge J10 means that Chinese are running their production program on time. Why else would they bother to sell these birds? There have been topics about PAF getting maybe J10 within a year… That explains the one year term.
Since another topic is hijacked by Indians… 🙂 The Indian army tanks are not quite a danger to Pakistan either. Most tanks are outdated and absolete. The Bakhtar Shikan (produced in Pakistan) wil remove large quatities before they start to attack. So the Cobra’s are extra. Pakistan lacks attack heli’s so any heli will add capabilities. And I don’t the PAF pilots are that stupid to run into heavy defended formations. They do have brains… There are also other options to remove defence…
Well where are those 40 UH1’s? And they can just put 40 in one aircraft so… Why don’t journalist just make pics and leave the translation to us…:D
Will do… Sorry Arthur.
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Correct. Antonov has a company in England that rents cargo facilities…
Originally posted by CAT1
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and again the infamous sources for the FC1 development happen to be the sister’s girfriend’s aunt’s butler’s lesbian girl friend’s cook’s dog’s food supplier’s uncle in the PAF.its funny how the first prototypes have no FBW and then all of a sudden the next two prototypes have a full digital FBW. oh and the aircraft will become operation in the next three years and this also after the next in line prototyps have a digi fbw. pakistani egns must be genious to be able to do this so quickly. ofcourse then there are the composites. the earlier prototypes didnt have them but the next ones will. now why didnt the rest of the world follow the FC1 example and add such critical technologies in mid testing phase instead of before the prototypes were assembled? comopsites may change drag coefficients, CG, wing properties, air flow properties but hell who cares. its PAF right? all this with a digital fbw will be made operational by 2006-2008. great going.
ofcourse then there are those pics of FC1 manouvering which according to some people here was enough to classify FC1 much more manouverable than LCA. but those were the first two prototypes now werent they? so why was the whole pakdef gang wagging its d**k at the thought of those two prototypes having a fbw? it was very much possible back then ofcourse. truly pathetic. and ofcouse the composites.
if i remember correctly most of you went on to degrade composites and about how they are not good and not cheap to maintain. the resin comes of, they dont last, shatter blah blah blah. in other words PAF did the right thing by buying an all metal aircraft because it was not in its budget or expertise to maintain them. now ofcourse this has become a matter of common sense. you guys should get an award for that one.
and the same people who claim that the balance of air power is readressed in the region due to PAF getting 50 mig21 clones to counter MKI are saying this. frankly if its those AF people that your friend met then they ont understand jack about how you make an aircraft. are they feeding you bull? or is your friend feeding you bull? do you even understand the problems with inducing composites in the in testing phase of an aircraft? do you know what goes on when feilding composites to an aircraft? or you may just end up altering the entire aerodynamics of the aircraft. and ofcourse this will happen with a digital fbw (which takes about 5-10 yrs for othrs countries to hardwire) and all the avionics which have still not been finalised. all this is supposed to happen by 2006-8 too? amazing. you people must have some brains working for you at PAC. good luck with you childish fantasies.Edited to correct the spelling mistakes. sorry. still getting used to the new keyboard layout.’
Wolverine — you seem to be hurting bad about this JF-17 thing. I would suggest some serious help. Whats up can’t bear to see a half capable fighter lining up for the PAF?
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You need serious help. It is parallel development/production. Did you knew that EF2000 was tested in several countries at the same time? Not the same tests… So it is nothing weird to tell that next prototype will get full FBW. Seems to me that you just can’t understand production logic. Why start whining?:D
Originally posted by google
No, but the aforementioned C-803 would fall under Category I of the MTCR and thus its sale would be prohibited, if both CHina and Pakistan are signators.
Google… Totally correct but they will sell downgraded version openly and help to upgrade it in secret… We see this often.
Distiller… Superb comment. Anyway, competition is a drive for improvement and justice.:D
JSF is the axe that killed European fighter programs…
They were not active aboce Pakistan?