As usual the Indians claim that Fc1 will get worser. Anyway… Golden arrow… The AFM of this months tells you that the Chinese have done very well at the moment. So more then Six months later the avionics are improved and PAF is accepting them. Adding to that the less time (development and integration of avionics and weapons) needed to get decent planes up and running… You guys seem not to accept reality.

A smaller nation allways keeps it very secret. One day Israel had a lot of planes to fight against the Arabs. No one knew exactly how many… That was part of their superiority. Now it is about Pakistan and Nitin and close friends are thinking that Pakistan that is the smaller and defending part will show all the data… Man, there must be a new era. :dev2:

looking at the fact that this news is posted and discussed before it seems funny to me that again Indian posters see it as a bad move…. I can understand that making planes isn’t simple. We saw how long it took to make Ef2000 (a… You thought I would use …) The first 50 JF17 will have chinese avionics and radar. Why? Cause it speeds up the production time. All planes will have the same radar and avionics which are working and were tested in J10. It means not only compatibility but also less integration tests and no problem with fitting SD10. This paper plane is on fastest mode to enter operational status. Not another billion dollars costing testplane that only flies in a few dreams. And can we stop about telling that Chinese avionics are inferior? Or trying to push that indirectly? They are fine…

No one complained about the first ADV tornado’s flying around without radar… No one complained the F7pg flying around without radar… But now suddenly a medium tech plane gets chinese radar and it is worldnews…

as long as they sell it then what is wrong with it? Marketing is everything. Why building a plane with billions of dollars and not able to sell one…

This is one of the reasons why I would not buy weapons that are full “political packages”, ie all their parts are produced in that country, this is why I think some countries should stay away from weapons that would require many foreign parts in them like LCA, J-10 and FC-1(Russian weapons probably), Golden Eagle & CQ(American weapons, avionics and engines of course and such) and to some extend the Gripen. Best to go with something thats not made in many different countries like Russian, American or French fighters.

The whole marketing idea of Fc1 is that you can add what you want. If Russian weapons are not ok then why not chinese or SA? But thinking we can buy one nation plane at the moment is a bit silly…

Excuse me but are the intakes big enough to feed two engines? If there is a lot designed for the stealth purpose then where is the internal bay? And what is the range of this plane?

To be honest with you I think a lot of products are being assembled. Some are improved and exported. But assembling these products is still achievement. About the Grifo. They do the same. The plan was to have fully TOT for the JF17 Grifo. It is less important now cause PAF is satisfied with Chinese versions. Saves time to integrate avionics and BVR (same avionics as j10 and the well known sd10). I think Pakistan will get more into aviation electronics in around 4 years (Islamabad university run-up time and first 50 JF17 local production planes). In the UAV buss we can say that besides the body most parts are inported. This is not strange cause there are a lot of companies that offer pretty decent electronic equipment. Putting them together and making it work is very difficult. I think Pakistan has made some remarkable improvement in that sector. Looking at the international developments they are focussing on the lower/medium tech market. They are now busy with marketing tankproducts and UAV’s. Within a few years they will market medium tech Jf17.