Let me say it on a more positive way. Now thanks to internet we can see ships being build or tested in China. We saw “secret” pics of J10 and FC1… We see pics of Indian Jaguars just landed for huge training on the other side of te world… Sometimes we hear bad reports but compared to the hot news and joy in talking about it we can have those few mishaps… I love it…
It id indeed an international forum though you may hav enoticed that some posters or topics are that often posted that… Anyway. I am looking forward to see some real developments. But let me remind you of the JF17/FC1. It was a typical post a few years ago that it was a myth. It was a paper plane. It will never see chinese airforce. Well. They were wrong. I think that the anti erieye attitude now is just the same development. The it is not a good plane (compared to Arrow). Then it is just intent…
I love to see Indian planes doing excercises. Lovely pics and great development. What bothers me is why PAF not even got there as an observer… Pakistani government should pay attention to that.
I agree… Why so m uch intrest in PAF ideas… Let us wait till something is delivered. That way this forum will be the first and only data-base pf deliveries… And that will be the end of calling it a forum… 😀
Well. Since it is beginning to be social fun here let me post an article… US speeding up military sales (not high tech… that was mentionned somewhere else) and PAF is starting to think about Erieye… Besides the funny point that Armitrage telling in India that Pakistani is supporting violence and telling in Pakistan that India is violating human rights…
US to speed up military aid to Pakistan
By Farhan Bokhari in Islamabad and Ray Marcelo in New Delhi
Published: July 16 2004 5:00 | Last Updated: July 16 2004 5:00
Richard Armitage, the US deputy secretary of state, yesterday pledged to speed up delivery of military equipment to help Pakistan pursue its war against terrorists but urged Islamabad to intensify a crackdown on Islamic militants.
Mr Armitage, concluding a visit to India and Pakistan, said Washington would accelerate its review of a list of military hardware, including helicopters and surveillance equipment, requested by Pakistan earlier this year.
After yesterday’s meeting with Riaz Khokhar, the Pakistani foreign secretary, Mr Armitage said: “The foreign secretary asked for a little speed-up in the process [of military supplies] and that is what we will be able to do. Our business is to deliver as much as we can.”
Since the beginning of this year, Pakistan has sent tens of thousands of troops into its semi-autonomous tribal areas bordering Afghanistan, which hundreds of Taliban militants are believed to be using to mount attacks across the border.
On Wednesday, a senior Pakistani officer repeated Pakistan’s frustrations over its military shortcomings: “We haven’t got any intelligence,” Brigadier Mehmood Shah, head of security in the tribal region, told Reuters. “In fact, we are asking our friends the Americans if they have any from their satellites, because they have better capabilities.”
Mr Armitage urged Pakistan to take a tougher stance against the Taliban, and repeated a charge he made earlier in India that not all the camps in Pakistan used to train militants to launch attacks in Indian-administered Kashmir had been dismantled.
“People are still dying and this is not an acceptable situation,” Mr Armitage had said in New Delhi. “Any level of infiltration is too much as far as we are concerned.”
But in response to Pakistani accusations of grave human rights violations by Indian security forces, he agreed that “there is absolutely no question, there is violence and violation of human rights”.
Western diplomats said these remarks underlined Washington’s balancing act in seeking to encourage both India and Pakistan to pursue the peace process, while recognising their grievances.
Pakistan’s air force officials this week confirmed that Islamabad was also negotiating the purchase of an airborne early warning system from Sweden. A final decision had yet to be made.
This comes in response to a deal signed by India for the purchase of Israel’s “Phalcon” radar system, to be mounted on Russian-made aircraft to improve the Indian Air Force’s ability to carry out surveillance inside Pakistani territory.
Some Indian posters keep the habbit of talking negative about PAF. Let us not become a victim. We have seen that PAF has been in trouble for decades. They had room for 71 f16’s and got nothing. They only bought some scooters from China and second hand mirages from all over the world. All sides agree with that. Boycots have either killed new options or hamperimg exiting ones. Now PAF and the pakistani government have been trying to convince the need of conventional force. Some call it begging but I call it logic. We all know that nation is five times bigger so leaving only nukes to stop it isn’t smart.
Buying new products is not a success in the US thanks to the Israeli and Indian (II) lobby. The most favourite nation title will only lead to upgrade and improvement of second hand equipment. High tech is definately not in this title. Now they have been shopping in other nations but to hear in the end a cheap “no” isn’t going to help PAF a lot. They are very late… So they now just asked for it first and they will start talking. Somehow some posters do not like even that idea. It is maybe not the best. But it is a very decent product and when used optimal it is very good. If you look at now and compare it with 7 Erieye then it will be a quantumleap. And this plane is for most nations on earth a very handy tool…
Cheers.
it is 60 planes…
and assassination of Olof Palme was in 1986..
We can check when Benazir and Sweden…
But still… There are writers and editors… Some articles get wrong changes…
I think it needs more communication with launch plane if compared with Brahmos. There is more time for the slow targets to move out of the kill box. But how much is that time? If 1000 km/h and the range is a few hundred km…. Anyone can tel more about this?
It is reliable but we do have to wait for for official Saab/Government statement. With this Pakistan can have a respectable defence. With terrorism on the left, fundamentalism in Iran and very much outnumbered in the east (India) it did a perfect job in getting a decent platform. The links with other planes are the next. But do rememeber that JF17 or other PAF planes are more used for defence then attack. That is why Pakistan is more intrested in BVR and AWACS then attack planes… And with India being very good in radar coverage and missiles it is a dangerous job to pass that…
Hi,
Not going on Saturday but spending the Sunday and Monday overthere. Will be coming with a busload full of “Dutchies” Holland Aviation Travel.
Cool. Can you provide me the weblink to HAT. Went to Le Bourget a few years ago. Forgot to book this…
Ok. Let us become simple.
Both planes (delta and normal) come in same speed and height. The both turn fast (let us say 9g). Do you actually think that (with same engines and weight) they both have same speed in the end…? Patriotism is nice. But do not blame others to be moronic. Cheers.
Wolverine… Moronic? Well. I asked a F16mlu pilot. It is not a bad plane. But it looses lot of energy while turning. And if can gain the kinetic energy then it is not a poblem. But bleeding energy is not in you mind…
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This is a picture thread guys, in any event I do not believe that PLA will share with us his great knowledge of aviation, it has already ben proven that cranked deltas have had better performance than the basic F-16 wing shown in the XL program, next week another Pakistani will come and say “hey you have a delta plane and is as manouverable as the Mirage 3.
My personal opinion! lol, people here seem to have many opinions but they seldom say because x,y,z reason, sad.
Sameer. It is a delta. It is fbw but still a delta. I do not have to repeat the basics of a delta. Causes lot of drag when turning. And that is what happens during a2a…
LCA is nice but better then mirage 2000-5 or f16c/d? I personal have doubts.
I remembered that getting low isn’t the nicest choice. Bosnia and Irac showed that going medium or high level is saver.