What about PLAAF getting Fc1’s? We have heard one side about PLAAF getting same 150 as PAF and other side telling it will only go for J10. Next year the production line will start.

The nation is world numero 1 producer of opium and heroin. They are still killing eachother and UN/NATO tries to make it stable. The guys ruined their own airforce and now ask for those planes that were running away. We should not give these people much attention. Without Pakistani help it was a communist country without breathing afghans. Now it is a ruined nation that needs to be rebuild economically and not military.

The T37 were upgraded in the past so it was not economical to dump them. K8 was introduced to replace Ft5 and T37. Pakistan will replace those planes but very slow. The reason is US engine in the K8. But Pakistan will increase production for export. It will not setup assmebly line for just a few planes. Purely economical, Nothing has to do with K8. And do remember that India still flies Kiran which is T37 of IAF. Isn’t the Kiran still flying around?

Afghanistan will always be Pakistan’s Backyard. The ISI needs to reactivate its contacts and control Afghanistan after the US leaves afghanistan. The old useless Afghan Junk should be returned , but Afghanistan has to pay storage charges for the years from 1983 to 2005. Only fair .

Who will pay for the 3 million refugees? And the bombing of Pakistani soil? The defence costed a fortune. And ISI wasn’t the one that was ruling Afghanistan. It was CIA.

Do wel all need F22 or the netcentric F35? Most will never able to pay it. Small fighters do just fine. Specially if the electronics get better and better.

I cannot say much about the other planes but some parts concering Fc1 are worth discussing. Indeed the Fc1 is a follow up for Pakistan. It was a mig21 derivative (super7…) but after boycots the plane ended as a drawing. Pakistan went for F16 and was left alone. Then it decided to move on and splitted design and avionics. Now the counterpart bought very attractive planes (yes the exotic MKI etc) so the technical level is gradually increased. You hear about Grifo radar or other weapons. It is still prototype but do remember that next year it will be in production.

The Fc1 is manufactured on a traditional way and will gradually improve during operational years. The reason for this is that the Fc1 or JF17 or Super 7 must be produced inside Pakistan. With almost no high tech aviation industry it decided to go for standard materials. Not a bad idea for Pakistan and as you said maybe not good enough for China. China wants national avionics and as good as possible plane. Hence J10 with WS10. But personally I do think they will go a cheaper plane to replace the F6, F5. Diversity and cheaper total solution. Let us talk about the other Pakistani Chinese plane. K8. Now the Chinese fly with three regiments. It has been exported in intresting quantities. I think the Fc1 is a cheaper and not bad solution to replace those older Mig21’s and mirages5/3. The J10 is a bit more towards F16c/d. More complex avionics and design. But in the end it costs more. With many african and asian nations looking for a cheap BVR plane the Fc1 has more market potential then J10. Even if the J10 is more advanced.

About comparing it with LCA. I think the LCA is there to replace Mig21. Like Fc1 will have to replace F7 (mig21 derivative). It has decent avionics and intresting wings but still it is not a high tech multi role plane. Adding russian BVR doesn’t make it 4th generation. We will see if it will get large (export) orders. I know a lot of posters give enormous technical indormation to show that it is high tech but still it is a prototype and we will see how more advanced it will get. Still comparing the avionics with Rafale or Gripen (that are in operational level) is not correct. Those have two engines, high tech avionics and canards. The LCA is one level less. Not that it is not good but it is not the same.

>>>FC-1 Oh please just stop it , The less talked the better , I am sure J-10 has something which the export customers might be interested in , But in the absence of any Hard data on the J-10 , Talking of exports is just like Building Castles In The Air.

Mr Austin from Mumbai,
How come that AFM and some other articles show that J10 is more for Chinese consumption and Fc1 more for export? Somehow it is human to think that one product is better then the other but if we both have no idea what the variables are then how come you present it as reality. I don’t think that many nation will buy J10 (support/china security/price etc). One last personal question. How come you have western name?
Regards.

p.s. In a world with Mig21’s, F5’s, A4’s, Mirage3/5’s there is enough room for cheap BVR plane. And not every conflict is fought with Rafales, Gripens or F22’s.

Could you guys stick to the j-10 and not have penis envy for the lca

thanks

I have heard or seen nothing about the j-10 beypund mere speculation, a few real pics and many a ps pic, comparing sucha fighter based on looks rather than hard data is simply nationalist bias rather than academic interpretation.
regards

Bad words. But somehow there are data we do not know that makes the LCA better then a lot of planes. One thing is the wing. I read somewhere that it was special. But for the rest it is still a prototype.