Arthur,
Good questioning. Do not feel insulted. I like your style of questioning but do understand that is tough to reach that level with answers. But it is not my favourite country and I am one the thoughest (thanks to my Dutch education) poster when it comes to evidence. There are no lines on the border but looking at the style of attacks (bigger multi level ground attacks) it shows that they had only the intention to decrease potential danger on the border. If they wanted to erase Pakistan then toy would have used more ground forces. We have seen that speciual commando’s were active inside Pakistan so they could do it more and bigger. And the fighter escorts would have been much more a2a oriented.

On the other side only a logic plan and full scale wars are fought by US (money and equipment). Pakistan and India were not active against non military targets (superb mentallity on both sides- deep respect). And their air attacks were much sober compare to attack shows like our mobiele brigades likes to show.

Cheers.

Sharm. Leave that inferioruty part. Some things are totally out of the context and ironically not as worse as some comments about Pakistan and its forces. Do get used to the fact that we all love aviation and sometimes it gets tough. If you like crying then keep that personal.

Arthur. I do understand your question. We all know from even recent reports that it is hard to say where Afghanistan starts and Pakistan ends. US bombs have fallen inside Pakistan and some of you do not know that some parts are still disputed between Afghanistan and Pakistan. So for a fighterjet flying fast and high one is risking a lot when flying on the border. I doubt that fighterjets take that risk under normal conditions, We all know how cold war and berlin routes were used and how strict it was when some planes left small corridors. On the orher hand a mig23 landed on a house in the Netherlands so accidewnts do happen… The mujhahideen were located in Pakistan and supply routes started inside pakistani terrirory. Do I have to give you pictures or do you accept simple logic about the fact that Russian jets did strike Pakistani positions? In ACIG report is is all about Russian jets attacking Pakistan and being shot down inside Pakistan. The parts under display are not bought on the black Afghanistan market… PAF planes were never inside Afghanistan.

Originally posted by Kussikap
Google,

There is no such thing as a “Shaheen”

You have Shaheen-1 which was “tested” in 2002

You have a Shaheen-II which was displayed in 2000 as a mock up and another “Shaheen-II” which was “tested” yesterday.

Pakistan has also changed the namings of missiles from time to time just to confuse people.

Experts may disagree on which Pakistani missile is based on which Chinese/Korean missile, but the overall fact is that all experts agree that Pakistan’s missile tech is 100% imported with local work being assembly, painting and naming only. Nothing more.

O… You have been watching the painters? Please stay out of decent topics.

All I heard that the guidance system is developed by an Pakistani that has been educated in the US. Well… That has been posted around but we can’t confirm it 100%. Load or other parameters will stay secret just like any other long range missile of India or the US. It is the first two stage solid rocket (produced and) fired in Pakistan. It means that more stages could be added and solid fuel is produced and engines are alterated not for the first time. Less reaction time… But Looking at the only target I see less reaction time as one of the dangers. Let us hope that it will never be used.

IAF will grow extremely. That is clear. But getting Hawks? I find it like Pakistan buying F7P. A bit late an dwith some more cash… But anyway. You are correct on getting something fast. It should have been decided yesterday but unfortunately democracy can have negative impact on decision making. Nothing wrong with that but IAF should have bought it yesterday.

Well to be honest… I am fan of the Dutch airforce. But telling that they are the best? I have no idea. I just posted mig21 upg (IAF) and F7PG (PAF) cause both look nice. Still I got flamed. Unbelievable. They both are intresting airforces but it is not up to me to make one better then the other and we frankly all are to stupid to tell which is better! Cheers mate.

Being able to produce LCA and assemle MKI I see another option like making of the first Indian Advanced Trainer.

I doubt that Pakistan is intrested in anything more then India. Israel is not in the direct neighbourhood. Or see it like India telling the world that they buy weapons not for Pakistan but for China. Except this is a bit different.:D