Nice article written in Airforce magazine on the IAF experience during Kargil war. Illustrates just why the IAF came to respect the Mirage-2000 so much and why a fighter’s performance from Leh airbase became so important for the IAF – which is why the Tejas has had trials from Leh and so have the MRCA candidates.
cross-posted this article from BRF.
India’s first AW-101s that will be used for VIP transport roles. Image courtesy livefist blog


Still, would have been rather interesting seeing it in the colours of (potentially) Iraq(:diablo:), Saudi Arabia, maybe India, maybe others aswell. ( although that would meen taking some slices away from Su-30 …hmmm.)
The Mirage-4000 in the IAF would’ve been very unlikely. the Su-30 originally competed against the Mirage-2000-5 in the 1990s and even back then, the cost of the 2000-5 was steep compared to the Su-30s and even with the MKI program, it was competitive against the 2000-5’s cost. A twin engined, scaled up Mirage-4000 would’ve been prohibitively expensive for the IAF to purchase in any meaningful numbers. As things stand, the Su-30MKI has worked out far better for the IAF and at a far more economical price. I can’t imagine the IAF having 270 Mirage-4000s..would’ve been way too expensive.
Stunning pics !
Government to Obtain 126 French Rafale Aircrafts by End 2012
The article title is wrong- the financial year in India begins and ends in April, not December. So, the deadline that the GoI has set for concluding negotiations with Dassault and signing for the Rafale is actually April 2013, not December 2012.
Very sad to hear this..:(
may they RIP.
I strongly doubt that.
They most likely received the same information. but for whatever reason they decided to act differently.
they acted smartly. Rather than waste money and effort and time into a competition that was mostly interested in the most cost-efficient fighter rather than the most capable fighter, they withdrew.
EADS and Dassault pursued it thinking that cost may not end up being the most important factor, or that they could sway the Swiss to their side through other factors. Each of them must’ve spent millions of $ for the evaluations , which are of the no-obligation type where the vendor spends money for bringing a company demonstrator or a leased operational specimen for evaluation and pays for fuel/spares while the evaluation is being carried out.
Cabinet Committee on Security set to approve Rs 6500 crore project to equip 2 prototypes + 40 Su-30MKIs with around 216 Brahmos ALCMs
NEW DELHI: The government is set to approve an over Rs 6,500 crore programme to mount supersonic cruise missile Brahmos on Sukhoi-30MKI fighters of the Indian Air Force (IAF). The air-launched missile system would significantly add to the conventional offensive capabilities of Indian military might, while intensifying arms race in the region.
The project seeks to mount the missile on 42 Sukhoi fighters, and includes 216 air-version missiles.Sources said the cabinet committee on security (CCS) would soon be considering for approval the project to mount air version of Brahmos, a supersonic cruise missile jointly developed by India and Russia, on IAF’s most advanced fighter.
The proposal is being moved in the wake of feasibility studies proving that the air-launched version of the cruise missile can successfully be mounted on the Russian made fighter, and can be fired to lethal effect. The government proposes to develop two prototypes of Sukhoi-30MKI fighters fitted with the missile for field trials in the project’s first phase.
Once the two prototypes complete a series of field trials, another 40 of the Sukhoi-30MKI fighters would be fitted with the missile in India, a senior official said.
Some modifications to the fuselage of the fighter are required to accommodate the nine-meter-long missile, sources said. Brahmos Aerospace is believed to have developed an air version of the missile, which is lighter than the other variants and has additional rear fins for aerodynamic stability.
Sources said the entire project would be executed in India by Brahmos Aerospace and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), with Russia providing design and technical consultancy.
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Indian Navy MiG-29Ks with Indian Navy Sea Harrier T Mk60

I thought Tejas performance did not meet all IAF requirements. Have performance parameters been lowered where required to allow Tejas to meet them?
I think that they’re referring to the parameters that needed to be met for IOC-2, which would then pave the way for squadron induction. The FOC will then be achieved in another 2 years and the Tejas Mk2 will be the definitive version that will be inducted in much larger numbers.
Another good pic of the EMB-145I AEW&C from the Tarmak blog

Good to see that EMB-145I arriving at Bangalore..hope there are no delays in the integration effort.
some more news on Tejas’ participation in exercise ‘Iron Fist’ next February at Pokhran
24 August 2012
India’s indigenously developed light combat aircraft Tejas will be put to final test at the forthcoming air exercise `Iron Fist’, to be held at Pokhran, in Rajasthan, in February next year.
Tejas will be tested for its capabilities, its lethality, endurance and precision at the air exercises, ahead of inducting it in the Indian Air Force, Air Marshal Anjan Kumar Gogoi, Air Officer Commanding-in-Chief, South-Western Air command, said at a press conference in Jaisalmer.Tejas had undergone successful performance trials, including weapons trials ahead of its operational clearance and is now planned to be finally cleared for service after this exercise.
If the LCA’s performance is found to be on par with IAF’s requirements on every parameter, the first Tejas squadron will be deployed in Bangalore, he said.
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I found the source of this “myth”:
I also suggest you read the the text in bold above, and think about what we know about the cost of SH (with AESA) compared to the cost of Rafale and Typhoon (with our without AESA…)
Thanks for that. I stand corrected.
I think you misunderstood me.
The fact that the F-15 is carrying its weapons externally has no bearing here.
Take into account the fact that to fulfil its mission of air superiority, a pair of F-15s has in its disposal a combined 12 MRAAMs and 4 SRAAMs
similarly to complete its mission a pair of T-50s has in its disposal 8 MRAAMs and 4 SRAAMs.
I am not even putting the two types in the same area or at the same time.
I am examining ability to perform mission in relation to payload.
If you want to make things harder, you could consider the T-50 going up against VLO targets which makes the lethality of the missiles deteriorate.
You have to remember than in terms of actually detecting a VLO target an F-15 with an AESA radar and a T-50 stand close. So the ability to direct a missile to a target is similar if not equivalent.
can you follow ?
How could I have misunderstood you? the PAK-FA can, if required, carry missiles externally. So, if the mission so requires and if stealth isn’t the biggest issue on hand, it can carry weapons internally AND externally. in which event, it may well carry as many as the F-15 does and be far stealthier, allowing it to perform a similar Air Superiority mission better and more effectively. I don’t think that the comparison even stands. You’re talking about a stealth fighter as opposed to a fighter with a cross section of 10+ m2.
Last I heard was the SH was physically not fitting Swiss infrastructures ,beside being overkill. With nothing else to offer, it was wizer for them to cut the loss.
For them to suggest Gripen when no other US company competes does kind of make sens . With the volume of US hardware it include, if selected , it won’t be a total loss to US income
I’m not sure if not fitting infrastructure was a reason or not. But they certainly never endorsed the Gripen- that’s a myth being propagated. This link states exactly what Boeing said when they withdrew.
Boeing withdraws Super Hornet from Swiss contract race
Boeing has announced its decision to drop out of the competition to replace part of the Swiss air force’s fleet of Northrop F-5 Tiger fighters.
The manufacturer had prepared to bid with the F/A-18E/F Block II Super Hornet, but withdrew after reviewing the contents of an initial request for proposal.
“After a thorough review of Switzerland’s requirements for partial replacement of its Tiger fighter aircraft, Boeing has decided not to enter the competition due to the disparity between the requirements for an F-5 replacement aircraft and the next-generation capabilities of the F/A-18E/F Block II Super Hornet,” the company says in a statement.