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  • in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2308807
    eagle1
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    If you want to drop a bomb in forum and create the biggest outcry/flame in a thread you should post those rafale vs F22 HUD displays on F16.net on the F22 vs rafale thread 😀

    Scorpion certainly knows how sensitive some can be on this board !
    http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-13542-start-60.html

    in reply to: MMRCA news thread 10 #2309387
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    Rafale were the first in the Lybian airspace and managed SAM attacks during the first raid. It is also reported that it took down mobile SAM sites time sensitive targets. It did while jamming which allowed it to get close enough to those SAM targets without being detected.

    in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2309481
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    LIMA: Eurofighter, Rafale raise stakes in Malaysian fighter contest

    The Dassault Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon have made debut appearances in Langkawi as the rivals pursue Malaysia’s multi-role combat aircraft (MRCA) requirement against the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and Saab Gripen.

    Dassault mounted a major campaign, with the head of the French air force visiting the show. The company also had a large stand and two French air force Rafales were on static display and performed flight demonstrations. The company also confirmed media reports it had opened a Kuala Lumpur office in October, establishing itself as a late entrant to replace the Royal Malaysian Air Force’s RSK MiG-29 aircraft.

    “The Rafale International team has brought together French and Malaysian expertise with the key objective of encouraging the Malaysian government to purchase its leading multi-role combat aircraft, the Rafale,” said Dassault.

    http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/lima-eurofighter-rafale-raise-stakes-in-malaysian-fighter-contest-365632/

    in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2309494
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    It’s worth noting that the Janes article states “Rafale exceeds the minimum requirements… most clearly”. As in one newspaper article (I think it was the Baseler Zeitung) mission endurance and payload have been criteria pointed out in the first place. In this light it’s absolutely not surprising that the Rafale scored so well with its payload/range advantage over the other two types. Anyway it’s a pity that the Rafale didn’t made it, but there are still plenty of competitions which could materialize into deals. However, I’m a little bit pessimistic after all these failures, the French really need to rethink their strategy as it seems to be the main cause for their failures thus far.

    Indeed for the strategy…Just careful not to take to hasty conclusions : endurance and payload might have played an important role but that does not mean that were decisive criteria. Othee kinetik performances or sensor performance were evaluated as well. It is the overall performance in each scenario that was evaluated not just specific parameters.

    in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2309572
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    in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2309581
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    India :

    French MP’s visiting India
    Business standard , Dec 6

    […]
    Forissier is leading a delegation comprising Jean Launay, Christian Blanc and Jean-Francois Mancel on a six-day visit to India during which they will also tour Bengaluru, Chennai and Puducherry.

    Asked about the Rafale bid for Indian Air Force contract for 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft, Forissier said he was confident that the French company would be successful.

    “We are very confident because we believe that we have offered the best plane which is adapted to Indian needs,” he said on the bids for the 126 MMRCA, winner of which is likely to be announced later this month.

    in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2309586
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    Malaysia :

    DASSAULT AVIATION TOUTS ADVANTAGES OF RAFALE PROGRAMME
    Bernama, Dec 6

    LANGKAWI, Dec 6 (Bernama) — France”s Dassault Aviation believes that the Rafale programme not only offers Malaysia the most effective air combat solutions but also many other tangible opportunities and benefits.
    They include the pledge to develop Malaysian talent to the same levels as Dassault”s own technicians and engineers in terms of maintenance as well as research and development (R&D).
    The company believes it is these technology-sharing initiatives that will actually take the Malaysian aerospace industry forward, benefiting from it for generations to come and beyond the lifespan of any plane.
    The French firm said this in a statement issued at the Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace Exhibition 2011 (LIMA ”11), which began here today.

    Dassault Aviation executive vice-president (international) Eric Trappier said the Rafale fighter jet programme offered a highly versatile and cost-effective multi-role combat aircraft (MRCA) solution to many governments.

    He said the benefits would go far beyond the aircraft”s performance.”We intend to do even better here by establishing a unique transfer of technology between France and Malaysia, supported by our industries, educational institutions and research agencies.
    “Therefore, LIMA ”11 is a very important event that gives us the opportunity to show how committed we are to the success of this major regional aerospace exhibition,” he said.

    In October 2011, Rafale International comprising Dassault Aviation, SafranSnecma and Thales, established a team and office in Kuala Lumpur designed to bring them closer to the users and local industry.
    The team has brought together French and Malaysian expertise with the key objective of encouraging the Malaysian government to purchase its leading multi-role combat aircraft, the Rafale.

    in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2309589
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    For Dassault and the [french] state, the future of the Rafale is played in Abu Dhabi
    Les Echos, Dec 6

    After the murderous UAE statements at the Dubai Airshow, and Switzerland, which preferred the Swedish Gripen, the Rafale is still chasing his first success in export. With, implicitly, a key issue, rarely discussed: the maintenance of the French competence in combat aircraft. Speaking a few days ago at a symposium on the war in Libya and Afghanistan, Laurent Collet-Billon, the Delegate General for Armaments, has not dodged the issue.

    Maintenance of skills? “It’s easier with an export contract” , He dropped to an audience of military and foreign defence officials.
    […]
    Rafale focuses twenty strategic technologies that very few countries have mastered. This is the radar, electronic warfare equipment, or optronics or inertial guidance.[…]
    The Rafale, which entered operational service in naval aviation in 2004 and in the Air Force two years later[…]. It should fly in the French army until 2040 at least. If of course it can stay stay up to date in matter of technology. For that , DGA finance periodic changes of the aircraft, called “standard” in military jargon and which correspond to a given configuration for a given period. Currently, the version in use, the more modern, then, is the standard called “F3”, which allows the carriage of the ASMP-A nuclear missile, the latest Exocet or laser-guided weapons.

    The rest is already in the pipeline of the DGA. To stay on top as long as possible, another big change in the Rafale will be required. When? Current plans expect this between 2020 and 2025, with work starting around 2013. Some changes are already known. This concerns for example the Damocles pod targets , which guide the missiles. Designed and produced by Thales, the equipment date of the generation Mirage 2000. Others remain to be specified in the field of stealth for example. The road map is not completely stopped, but the bill for the taxpayer will be not doubts around several hundreds of millions of euros. This is the price for France to remain a major military nation. And that’s where the export, particularly the UAE, becomes important.

    When they agreed in 2008 to negotiate the purchase of 60 Rafale, Paris and Abu Dhabi have agreed on one crucial point: if agreed, the contract will focus on an improved “and” common version. In other words, both countries are willing to align their needs and then to share the funding of this future standard. In other countries where Dassault hopes to win the cup, it is not the case. If they are in favor of Dassault aircraft, Brazil and India do not want little changes compared to the configuration service in the French army. The Swiss did not ask any.

    For the DGA, which knows that post-2013 will be hard, it’s a godsend. If UAE sign, then it will save much for public finances. It’s hundreds of highly skilled jobs in engineering offices in Dassault, Thales and Safran […]. If they do not sign, it will be hard to maintain this skills. At best, given the cuts to come, this will be done at the expense of other weapons programs. At worst, we must assume that politics will have some difficult choices. The theorem admits of no exception: it takes decades to build leading-edge expertise, it only takes a few months to let slip away. The English have had bitter experience, forced to use American engineers to design the next generation of submarines nuclear ballistic missile.
    […]
    Without falling into chauvinism, we must hope that the Government, during its last few months, or the next governement, without much ado, will find an agreement with UAE. For violent it was, the rebuke of Abu Dhabi vis-à-vis Dassault does not mean that the chips are down, even if the Rafale competitors were invited to dance. Appointed chief pilot of the negotiations by Nicolas Sarkozy, Alain Juppé maintains contact. The problem is that Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed al Nahyan, the number two in the kingdom, the one without whom nothing can be done, is in a strong position. With 80 F16 with and 60 Mirage 2000 which are entirely satisfactory, he has plenty of time …

    http://www.lesechos.fr/opinions/analyses/0201765643970-pour-dassault-et-l-etat-l-avenir-du-rafale-se-joue-a-abu-dhabi-258735.php

    in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2309596
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    I can only agree with flight editorial.

    Other article :

    France in the running for two aircraft carriers in Brazil
    Le Point, dec 6

    Brazil would continue to modernize its armed forces with the acquisition of two conventional aircraft carriers. Paris is candidate and sees an opportunity for the Rafale.

    Government services and DCNS, domestic manufacturer of military ships, are following with great attention Brazilian intentions about aircraft carrier.
    […]
    On 18 October, the Brazilian Minister Celso Amorim of Defense visiting Paris addressed the subject, saying that his country “beginning to think the need to build an aircraft carrier. This will be an aircraft carrier, which ideally will built in Brazil, with the import of some technologies. ” In Paris, the information is not fallen into deaf ears and things have been somewhat clarified since. Brazil plans to build many projects in his own two aircraft carriers conventionally powered, and seek foreign manufacturers for “assistance with project management.” Clearly, aid in the development of plans for design and implementation, as well as engineering support military shipbuilding, very specific.

    New perspectives for the Rafale

    France is already helping Brazil to build a hull of nuclear attack submarine which will have a national designed atomic energy product system. It also sold to this country four attack submarines with conventional propulsion. In Paris, a decision is expected in Brazil “in the twelve to eighteen months,” said an informed source. The budget issue had stumbled the combat aircraft program but it is not seen as an obstacle to Paris, where one is convinced that the strategic ambitions of Brasília require to continue to modernize its army.

    Moreover, the French still have not given up selling the Rafale to Brazil. They even see it as a new opportunity in the context of an endowment in modern aircraft carriers. According to French industrial sources, it is estimated that the sailors took hold of the Brazilian defense: “They are the ones who understand that Brazil wants to change in size by acquiring SNA and aircraft carriers.”
    […]

    http://www.lepoint.fr/chroniqueurs-du-point/jean-guisnel/la-france-sur-les-rangs-pour-deux-porte-avions-au-bresil-06-12-2011-1404317_53.php

    in reply to: Gripen for Switzerland #2309694
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    According to Dassault’s statement Swiss would have needed less rafale to perform the jobs according to the swiss air force. So depending on who you are listening you can find different conclusions. It is plain normal as in the fighter jet export businness nothing is blak or white. You can find sensible reasons to go for any of the three contenders.

    That’s why the lobbying effort is so important to make understand to the decision maker which are the most worthy arguments to listen at.

    I am not debating what are the bests arguments or not right now just that in the swiss case I think that SSAB did a great a lobbying job toward the decision makers.

    They manage to convey the message that it will be sufficient for the job and at a reasonable costs and that Swiss industry could greatly beneficiate from participating in the gripen NG program. In the end swiss politics listened at SAAB arguments rather than those from Dassault and EADS.

    As far as I am concerned I believe that Dassault’s failure lies in the lobbying effort in the swiss competition. They had solid arguments and the backing of the swiss air force, if they did not manage to capitalize on it then they can only blame themseves. If they ended up being overconfident because they won the technical evaluation it is entirely their fault.

    But those are just the scores from 2 out of an unknown number of missions. For all we know, the Gripen could have outperformed Rafale and Typhoon in all the other fields (2 more? 10?). We don’t know how these are weighted. We have no idea about the overall score

    @eagle : we know all the different categories of testing and their respective weight in the operational evaluation. We know that the rafale was was rated above the typhoon in both AtA and AtG and that it was the only one meeting the minimum requirements as far as the operational tests are concerned. What’s left ? Recce ? I don’t expect the gripen or the typhoon to reach the rafale performance in this area with the brand new Reco-NG pod. We also knwo that only the rafale and typhoon regulrly performed “significativly above the “6” threshold” while the gripen usually performed bellow. In the end the rafale was the recommended choice of the swiss air force according to those tests. What’s more to add ? That does not mean the gripen is not a good choice for the swiss airforce. As explianed above there are plenty of perfectly valuable arguments that push for a gripen decsison.

    in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2310257
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    Facelift for two Mirage 2000 jets in French Riviera

    Economic times , Dec 5

    The first set of two Mirage 2000 combat jets of the Indian Air Force (IAF) have flown out for upgrade at the facilities of Thales, the French defence and aerospace giant, as part of a $1.35 billion deal for the 51-aircraft fleet.
    “Two aircraft – a single seater and a double-seater – have flown out to the French Air Base near Istres. The aircraft will reach Monday-Tuesday after halts in two countries in the Gulf and two in Europe,” Thales country director Eric Lenseigne said.

    “The upgrade will begin immediately after a 22-member project team from the Indian Air Force and Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) will be associated with the project. This is what we call a middle-life upgrade. It will take a few years,” Lenseigne said.
    […]
    At Istres, the aircraft will see an upgrade of its avionics, combat systems, electronics for military capability, night vision cockpit, advanced navigational systems, friend-or-foe identification system, radars and the warfare suites.
    According to Lenseigne, Thales is also working on the projects it will undertake as part of the offsets for Mirage 2000 upgrade. India, like many countries, asks defence vendors to spend some the project money locally to source components or as investment.

    “We have in mind some 15 major proposals covering army, navy and air force. These are in broad areas like air defence, new generation equipment for combat aircraft like sensors, and maritime radars. Our partners are under selection,” he added.

    A $16.5 billion giant in the defence, security, aerospace and transport markets, Thales has 68,000 employees in 50 countries. In India, it started operations over five decades ago and also has joint ventures with Rolta and Samtel, and a global software arm in Chennai.

    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/facelift-for-two-mirage-2000-jets-in-french-riviera/articleshow/10989595.cms

    in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2310260
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    UAE, France, Tunisia and the Mirage 2000-9s

    Posted on: Mon, Dec 05, 2011

    French Chief of Staff Admiral Edouard Guillaud, who visited Tunis last week at the head of a high-ranking French military delegation, is said to have discussed there the possibility of the Tunisian Air Force (TAF) buying the Mirage 2000-9 fighter jets in service with the UAE Air Force (UAEAF)

    http://www.tacticalreport.com/view_news/UAE_France_Tunisia_and_the_Mirage_2000-9s/2339

    in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2310345
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    Other AASM prowess :

    Libya: a Rafale has destroyed a tank more than 55 km

    A rafale of Air Force managed to destroy a tank by dropping ammunition A2SM (image below cons) to over fifty-five kilometers from its target, the first day of operations.

    A first in the history of French aviation, made ​​possible by the air-ground modular armament, a stand-off munition capable of being driven long distance and with remarkable accuracy. It allows the aircraft to stay out of reach of enemy air defenses. So far, A2SM was qualified to a distance of 50 km.

    This weapon is manufactured by the French Sagem. Of course, its price is high, the order of 115,000 euros each, but it can be destroyed at once much more expensive materials. A Rafale can fire up to six.

    Monday, April 4, 2011
    Jean-Dominique Merchet

    http://www.marianne2.fr/blogsecretdefense/Libye-un-Rafale-a-detruit-un-blinde-a-plus-de-55-km_a209.html

    in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2310351
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    Interesting information about the detail of the french strikes : 80 SAM sites were destroyed !! That’s a testament of rafale DEAD capabilities.

    From the recent fox three release from Dassault :

    Such was the confidence of the
    French aircrews in their new
    mount that all missions were
    conducted without any support
    from dedicated electronic warfare
    and SEAD (Suppression of Enemy
    Air Defences) assets: thanks to its
    Spectra state-of-the-art electronic
    warfare/self-defence suite, the
    Rafale was able to operate at
    will in a dangerous environment,
    against a dense network of deadly
    surface-to-air missile systems.
    Even more significant is the fact
    that the Rafale was able to accurately
    locate enemy air-defence
    systems and engage them.”

    “Such is the quality of the Spectra
    electronic warfare suite that the
    Rafale literally disappeared from
    the radar screens of the Libyan Air
    Force while performing ‘soft kills’ on
    the enemy radar systems.
    Spectra
    relies on advanced jamming modes
    and jamming techniques to defeat
    hostile weapon systems and to
    hide the progression and whereabouts
    of the fighter.”

    in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2310645
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    It is simply impossible to compare availability rates. No one expect respective airforces have the comprehensive datas and full picture. As different air base were used no one can know about others completely.

    Someone who will try to say something must come with hard datas (which is impossible for the reason above) or he is a liar and is trying to instill a rumor with “subtlety”.

    I would also add that airforces have an interest in presenting the good aspect of things as they are supporting their manufacturer for exports. So one question : How reliable and transparent do you think those figures would be ????

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