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  • in reply to: Rafale 2018 Thread: Europe's best Eurocanard #2121686
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    According to le Figaro news paper (owned by Dassault) the F4 standard will also be deployed in the existing fleet :

    Dassault Aviation s’engage à livrer le Rafale au standard F4 en deux étapes, en 2022 et 2024. Le standard sera aussi déployé au sein de la flotte en service.

    http://www.lefigaro.fr/societes/2019/01/14/20005-20190114ARTFIG00325-la-france-commande-la-nouvelle-version-du-rafale.php

    in reply to: Rafale 2018 Thread: Europe's best Eurocanard #2121790
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    Rafale F4 is officialy “on” with 1,9 billion euros for its development. More than twice as much funding than for the F3R version.

    58 rafales will be ordered in this latest standard in two tranches : 28 in 2022-2024 taht will incorporate as much F4 standard upgrade as possible and then a second tranche of 30 F4 rafales to be delivered up to 2030.

    A big update in every field, including weapons : 1000Kg AASM, Mica NG, improved ASMP-A…

    https://www.latribune.fr/entreprises…le-803742.html

    “Ce standard F4 est un saut technologique, un saut industriel, un saut stratégique”,

    Rafale F4 full standard should be qualified in 2024 but some items will be available earlier. It is now the basis standard for futur export prospects like for Switzerland, UAE, or another Egyptian order.

    in reply to: Rafale 2018 Thread: Europe's best Eurocanard #2122166
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    From aviation week :

    (…) The upgrade will also see a series of improvements to Spectra. Developed by Thales and MBDA, Spectra is a fully automated system that provides electromagnetic detection, laser and missile warning, jamming and four chaff/flare dispensers. French industry sources say that during operations over Libya in 2011, Rafale literally disappeared from the radar screens of the Libyan air force, performing soft kills on enemy radar systems.

    Bruno Carrara, director of the Rafale program at Thales, says the F3-R upgrade will involve a more advanced electromagnetic detection capability based on new digital wide-band-receiver technologies, improving the suites spectrum analysis as well as its instantaneous interception capability.

    Thales will also update Spectras solid-state jamming subsystem, which was one of the first to use electronically steered phased-array antennas. Carrara says for F3R, Spectra will include more powerful antennas, while further increasing the power supply so that more threats can be jammed simultaneously. Like Saab, Thales will use GaN technology because of its power and efficiency.

    Since the late 1990s, Spectras designers have dropped hints that the system can perform active cancellation receiving a radar signal and mimicking the aircrafts echo exactly one-half wavelength out of phase so the radar sees nothing.Carrara again implies that such a capability is in use:

    There are other strategies, such as generating signals that will encompass or be higher than the echo from the aircraft, so that the radar threat will receive a signal that will mask the echo from the aircraft, Carrara says. Instead of creating a false echo and drawing the radar to the wrong place, the idea is to produce a signal that will mask the echo of the aircraft, so the radar will be unable to detect the aircraft Spectra is protecting.

    in reply to: Rafale 2018 Thread: Europe's best Eurocanard #2122418
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    Unlike XB-70 said on the previous page rafale sensor fusion is actually processed the same way the F35 does. The server that fuses primary data on the rafale is called the MDPU.

    That’s exactly why Dassault insists that rafale multi sensor fusion is not merely a corelation of tracks like described on LM PPt first slide.

    in reply to: Rafale 2018 Thread: Europe's best Eurocanard #2122493
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    Not sure to understand you. My point was to say that rafale sensor fusion is not a mere correlation of tracks on a single display but an actual fusion of raw datas through the MDPU.

    in reply to: Rafale 2018 Thread: Europe's best Eurocanard #2122502
    eagle1
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    As far as rafale sensor fusion is concerned we are not talking of mere sensor correlation of tracks (computed separatly by each sensor) to be showcased on a single display but true sensor fusion of raw datas. F22, F35 have also this capability (and soon the Gripen E).

    From Dassault :

    Rafale Data fusion

    To exploit the smart data fusion management system, the Rafale propose to the Pilot its suite of sensor and an advanced Man-Machine Interface (MMI).

    Advanced MMI

    The situational awareness is displayed on large color screens in order to reduce aircrew workload.
    The Hands On Throttle and Stick technology has been adopted to make function selections easier. To accelerate and facilitate information assimilation, the instrument panel of the Rafale cockpit is divided into one large Head-Up Display (HUD) and three color multifunction screens:

    • Two touch-sensitive lateral displays,
    • And a wide angle, high-resolution head level display collimated to infinity to enable the pilot to shift instantly from head-up flying to head-down mission monitoring without a need to refocus.

    In the two-seat Rafale variant, the front and rear cockpit displays can be operated in a tandem mode, which presents the pilot and the back-seat with the same information, or de-coupled so that crew members can carry out different tasks simultaneously: an obvious advantage during complex missions.

    Multi-sensor technology

    The Rafale is equipped with :

    • RBE2 multimode electronic scanning radar,
    • Front Sector Optronics (FSO) passive IR/TV/laser system
    • Spectra multi-spectral electronic warfare system,
    • Plus the infrared seekers of the Mica IR missiles.

    This combination of multiple sensors enhances the probability of detecting hostile targets, including stealth aircraft. It also lowers the risk of fratricides fight.

    The Rafale’s weapon system can also simultaneously deal with airborne and ground threats, a crucial advantage over the nearest competitors because pilots are now able to attack targets on the ground while engaging the enemy fighters presenting the greatest threat.
    Silent intercepts can be conducted with the radar switched off.

    On the Rafale, there is no preferred sensor: the radar, the FSO, and the Spectra electronic warfare suite all contribute to situational awareness, and the data obtained from the different sources is fused into a single tactical picture shown on the central, head-level display, offering the pilot a clear image of the evolving tactical situation.

    Sensors have inherent advantages and drawbacks: the passive FSO has excellent countermeasure resistance, and its angular resolution is better than that of the radar. On the other side, the radar is able to determine the target’s position and velocity vector in all weather conditions.
    The Spectra suite can analyze enemy radar emissions to precisely identify an emitter.

    The powerful data fusion algorithms combine and compare the data gathered by all Rafale sensors, and accurately position and identify targets. It’s much more than simple correlation as it gives the pilot an accurate and unambiguous tactical picture.

    When all tracks are positively identified, the system automatically creates a synthetic image with all enemy and friendly tracks shown in a clear and explicit way. Off-board sensor can also contribute data to the integrated tactical air picture, via the data link. Wingmen or AEW aircraft can feed their data to the leader’s system, thus helping target-sorting and co-operation within the formation.

    The Rafale sensors fusion is also a crucial advantage in BVR combat, because it provides accurate synthetic information coming from multiple sensors, which offers the pilots a much better understanding of the tactical situation during combat, and this, 360 degrees around the aircraft.
    In conclusion with its sensor suite, its MMI and its smart sensor fusion the Rafale is able to:

    – Avoid all kind of detection,
    – Jam enemy radar with intelligent AESA Jammer,
    – Use multispectral passive sensors in defensive and offensive roles,
    – Penetrate enemy airspace low and deep carrying high loads, to long ranges
    – And it is highly manoeuvrable in dog fights
    – all this from land bases and carriers, available today and combat proven

    Some instances of rafale sensor fusions in real life :

    1) From DSI magazine on ATLC :

    Concurrently, the Rafale shown one’s claws. At the end of the last autumn was held on the Al-Dhafra air base, the annual edition of ATLC (Advanced Tactical Leadership Course). Organized since 2000 by the UAE Air Warfare Center, ATLC aims to help air forces pilots of the Arabian Peninsula to improve their tactics and techniques by confronting them to the pilots of major Western air forces. For this particular case, the Rafale from the Air Force take the opportunity to confront their main competitors on the international scene. Especially since , in parallel , stood the Dubai airshow, which could be used as a sounding board for results obtained during the exercise.
    The AdA has shipped on site for five weeks, from November 8 year December 12, not less than 6 Rafale and 3 Mirage 2000-5E. A detachment served by only 125 people and which required only 60 tons of material. The availability rate of the Rafale, which have accumulated 220 flight-hours in 148 missions, while shotting down – virtually meant – not less than 61 hostile fighters, was 97% for the entire period. And no missions has been canceled . According to Lt. Colonel Fabrice Grandclaudon, squadron leader of the EC 1/7 in Saint-Dizier and commander of the detachment,” the weapon system Rafale, taking its place in COMAO (raids) of thirty different combat aircrafts, made at the ATLC the demonstration of his extraordinary flexibility. And to cite the case of this mission on November 29 during which a Rafale pilot, has launched, in barely 66 seconds, 3 Mica on 3 enemy planes (two virtually destroyed) and six AASM bombs on as many targets, some 48 km far . All destroyed!

    Versatility is not an empty word.

    Better yet, december 7, a pair of Rafale which protected a SAR combat device shot down 10 incoming hostile fighters while dropping six AASM on 6 different land targets forty km far , everything without leaving their CAP racetrack.In addition, the Rafale OSF allowed the positive identification of hostile fighters forty kilometers far. And, December 6, a MICA has been assigned its target – indeed virtually destroyed – only with the SPECTRA system. SPECTRA which was also capable, twice, to detect and classify – and to propose flight path changes to the pilot to avoid detection-specific envelope – some air defense systems (SA-6) that even the American F-16 CJ specialized in the SEAD mission (suppression of air defense opponents), yet also in flight, were not able to collect.. Certainly, the F-16 CJ in question had not been equipped during the flights with their common SEAD equipment, namely the HTS pod (HARM Targeting System), while their threats library had not been refreshed to integrate some of the air defense radars in the area. SEAD was not their daily mission. But it was not either the case for the Rafale. And yet, the Spectra, with no other equipment than those onboard daily, has done better than the F-16 CJ which, however, are specialized in the SEAD mission. That’s the difference between multirole who need to return to land on its base to switch from one type to another mission and versatility that allows flight operations at the same time in different roles. It also demonstrates, incidentally, the ability of the AdA to quickly take advantage of “hostile” ground-radar records tunes operated the day before and to integrate them into the rafale SPECTRA library. This allowed the Rafale to classify them without any difficulty. In short, the performance was moderately appreciated by our American allies! Especially since the six F-22 Raptor deployed there by the 27th FW Langley FS/1st proved incapable of giving the beating promised to the Rafale. Of the six dofights – gun limited – which pitted the two types of aircraft in the Emirians skies in late 2009, only two saw the virtual destruction of a Rafale. Other meetings were concluded without a winner. A “performance” for the Rafale against the most modern [and most expensive] fighter in the world, presented as particularly agile thanks to its steering nozzles and moreover stealthy. Because the Rafale was, according to the lieutenant-colonel Grandclaudon, “a serious challenger in matter of maneuverability ” And the french pilot to regret that his USAF colleagues had not allowed the simulated employment of MICA missiles during these confrontations.

    The Typhoon were inferiors.

    Concurrently, November 16, the Rafale gave, according to the french pilot, a memorable beating to the RAF Typhoon – the most recent version – which were also deployed in the UAE for the ATLC. To put it bluntly, Lieutenant-Colonel Grandclaudon said the two air battles – battles with IR-guided missile and cannon – which opposed Rafale and Typhoon gave a score of 7 wins for the first and 0 for the second, the only Rafale considered as having been destroyed flew below the allowed flight floor ! Obviously this statement has immediately raised an outcry among British pilots, relayed by the media and the Anglo-Saxon specialized blogosphere, including claims that the Typhoon did not fly as such during the fighting, but simulated “red” attackers, MiG-29 and Su-27 in that case. So, the 1/7 Provence squadron leader made a point to recall that 2 of his Rafale were also”red chest” (MiG-29 index “Charlie”) when they shot down 4 “blue” Typhoon – flying as Typhoon – while being reduced to use virtual russians AA-10C missiles to be guided by the Rafale until the impact on their target, which forbade to shoot multiple targets at once . For Fabrice Grandclaudon, the limitations of the “red” plastron role don’t prevent a weapons system to show its real capabilities, because the pilots are taking advantage of the real human-machine interfaces and sensors on board, one of the Rafale has benefited from a refresh of its tactical situation by his teammate via Link-16. In other words, even if some of them simluated Su-27, the British pilots virtually shoot down were using the sensors and the avionics of their Typhoon and not those of a Su-27! And the french pilot to recognize, with great sportsmanship, that the Typhoon pilots who had been opposed to the Rafale the week preceding the ATLC were young and relatively inexperienced, as the French already benefits from lessons learned from 3 operational detachments in Afghanistan (one year of presence in all) and 4 of its pilots had participated in Red Flag 2008.

    Some advantages that make the difference.

    However, he heavily emphasized the performance of the french system in the field of arms data fusion, from his point of view the main reason of the superiority obtained. Instead of each sensor to display its studs (aircraft detected) on a specific screen, forcing the Typhoon pilot to operate an intellectual gymnastics , annoying in combat stress, to check if the plot of its corresponding screen of electronic warfare was or was not the one visible on the radar screen or IRST, the Rafale’s systems present to the pilot a single plot on a screen, the system automatically compares the plots provided by the various sensors on board and decides if it is or not the same plane. The french pilots have also appreciated the agility of the antenna of the electronic RBE2 radar – The Typhoon has for now only a mechanical antenna – allowing to refresh the situation in the whole volume monitored. But they insist, for close combat, on the perfect controllability of their Rafale, thanks to the excellence of FBW, to the extreme limits of the flight envelope.. To point the nose toward the target and to design it to the weapons system in the absence of a viewfinder-HMD while operating at very low speed. What are not necessarily capable of the main opponents of the Rafale …
    Well obviously, one should not rejoice in excess. The extremely positive results of these meetings have been obtained in special circumstances. The pilots had been set specific roles by the commander of the COMAO device and were therefore not free to exploit in depth all the potentials of their weapons system. The results have been different perhaps in other circumstances (nevertheless, some time ago, another meeting between Typhoon and Rafale, in Corsica, was also turned into “massacre” at the expense of the first 8 losses to 0 ). But, simply put, the EC 1 / 7 pilots are particularly satisfied with their stay in UAE. Their demonstration has , aptly, made a strong buzz [noise] among the aviators of the region and troubled the Anglo-Saxons until now convinced of the utter superiority of their planes. A disturbance also compounded by the loss – virtual of course – of an F-22 gun shot by an UAE Mirage 2000-9 flown, this time, by a French experimented pilot. Really, when everything goes wrong … P

    2) Interview of Captain Romain who wrote this book on the rafale : https://www.amazon.fr/Rafale-%C3%A0-…/dp/B00GQRMRCU

    Cne Romain:

    One must first know that France has a very high credibility worldwide in terms of jamming. So one should be particularly ill informed to think there could be a beginning of a gap in Spectra.
    Spectra is a accomplished self-protection system that we are developping every day with programming, testing and with software and hardware updates: month after month ,Spectra is evolving.
    In my opinion, i think we are currently using only 2/3 of Spectra capacities: We still have much work to do to optimize our jamming libraries and methods of use.
    Finally, just to give you an idea of what stealth is or isn’t : to be 100% stealth, one should neither be seen nor to let others know they are seen … For example, a stealth aircraft that would use its radar to fire a missile, would be suddenly no longer stealth
    One of the great strength of the Rafale is here: we do not need to activate our radar to fire our missiles far beyond visual range ..

    Corentin

    Hello Captain,
    Thank you for these clarifications! I am perhaps too curious but can you explain how the Rafale is capable of firing beyond visual range “passively”, and how far?
    Do other airplanes of the same generation (EF, Gripen, F-18) use, to your knowledge, equivalent techniques ?

    Cne Romain:

    The Rafale merges the informations coming from its sensors to give a very reliable and clear picture to the pilot. It’s already a considerable advantage over previous-generation aircraft, including EF and Gripen. When the pilot decides to fire a air to air missile, the missile leaves the aircraft taking automatically into account all available informations.
    When the radar is not used, the missile can use the OSF (a TV camera coupled with a laser rangefinder), the informations provided by another aircraft via the MIDS, a heat source detected by the OSF or a MICA IR, or finally a localization by SPECTRA. Faced with these sensors, stealth is useless and we know, thanks to our tests ,that our missiles are very effective in such context.

    3) You can also refer to the independent swiss evaluation of the rafale which praises its sensor fusion compared to the Typhoon and Gripen (second page) :

    http://lignesdedefense.blogs.ouest-f…t%20suisse.pdf

    Rafale sensor fusion is really working and proving its value.

    in reply to: Rafale 2018 Thread: Europe's best Eurocanard #2123984
    eagle1
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    In one of the last slides you can see the many conformal GaN antennas on the rafale projected for the F4 standard. Even in the vertical tail !

    in reply to: Franco-German next generation fighter #2124034
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    Speaking at the IQPC International Fighter conference in Berlin the week prior to Parly’s pronouncement, senior military sources from both countries as well as Spain, which is set to join the effort later this year, said that they are currently engaged in their own national studies, and that these studies will be coalesced into a single solution over the coming years.

    https://www.janes.com/article/84738/france-and-germany-agree-next-gen-fighter-design-studies

    One more partner nation to join.

    in reply to: Franco-German next generation fighter #2124035
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    I quite like both designs although Dassault seem to be a bit more ambitious by removing the vertical thins which seems to be a trend for the 6th generation looking at US concepts.

    But at least the Airbus design remain sleek and should reach a nice top speed without too much effort given its high swept delta.

    I personnaly much prefer Dassault and Airbus designs (which are sleek) compared to the Tempest in its current form which seems overweight and more on the strike fighter side of things like the F35.

    in reply to: Franco-German next generation fighter #2124119
    eagle1
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    New engine study is part of the deal, that’s some good news.

    in reply to: Franco-German next generation fighter #2124159
    eagle1
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    Agree with that. I guess the F3R will be one of the first to field such a EW system on frontline units with deliveries due to India and French air force ?
    GaN radar with conformal arrays should be a significant improvement with the F4 standard, especially for more offensive jamming.

    in reply to: Franco-German next generation fighter #2124164
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    From Aviation Week :

    France has also announced big investments for Rafale. Dassault has already inducted the first of the French Navy Rafale F1-standard aircraft to begin an upgrade to the latest service configuration, F3-04T, which includes the active, electronically scanned array (AESA) version of the RBE2 radar and the DDM-NG missile-warning system. The program goal is to retain all the aircraft in service through rolling upgrades, the company says.

    The DDM-NG, part of the Thales/MBDA Spectra defensive avionics suite, comprises two imaging infra-red sensors located on either side of the fighter’s fin-tip pod, each with a hemispherical field of view and jointly providing full spherical coverage other than the area blanked by the fighter’s wing. Its ability to detect and track other targets, such as aircraft, is classified, according to Dassault.

    In January, the French defense ministry awarded Dassault a contract for the next major Rafale upgrade, known as F3-R.

    It includes more powerful processors and upgrades to the Multi-functional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminal datalink and the automatic ground collision avoidance system.

    For tactical and strategic reconnaissance missions, F3-R will include in-cockpit replay and analysis of imagery from the Thales Areos long-range oblique photography (Lorop) reconnaissance pod. The Rafale pilot or weapon system operator will be able to review imagery without interrupting the pod’s collection process.

    The upgrade will also see a series of improvements to Spectra. Developed by Thales and MBDA, Spectra is a fully automated system that provides electromagnetic detection, laser and missile warning, jamming and four chaff/flare dispensers. French industry sources say that during operations over Libya in 2011, Rafale literally disappeared from the radar screens of the Libyan air force, performing “soft kills” on enemy radar systems [already related in one of the lastest issue of FOX3].

    Bruno Carrara, director of the Rafale program at Thales, says the F3-R upgrade will involve a more advanced electromagnetic detection capability based on new digital wide-band-receiver technologies, improving the suite’s spectrum analysis as well as its instantaneous interception capability.

    Thales will also update Spectra’s solid-state jamming subsystem, which was one of the first to use electronically steered phased-array antennas. Carrara says for F3R, Spectra will include more powerful antennas, while further increasing the power supply so that more threats can be jammed simultaneously. Like Saab, Thales will use GaN technology because of its power and efficiency.

    Since the late 1990s, Spectra’s designers have dropped hints that the system can perform “active cancellation”—receiving a radar signal and mimicking the aircraft’s echo exactly one-half wavelength out of phase so the radar sees nothing.

    Carrara again implies that such a capability is in use: “There are other strategies, such as generating signals that will encompass or be higher than the echo from the aircraft, so that the radar threat will receive a signal that will mask the echo from the aircraft,” Carrara says. “Instead of creating a false echo and drawing the radar to the wrong place, the idea is to produce a signal that will mask the echo of the aircraft, so the radar will be unable to detect the aircraft Spectra is protecting.”[…]

    in reply to: Franco-German next generation fighter #2124173
    eagle1
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    It is not surprising to first GaN application on EW for fighter jets. The rafale had GaAs Antennas for Spectra long befor the AESA radar in 2013. The same applies with GaN which found its way on the F3R standard (now validated) with Spectra but GaN for radar and conformal arrays are for the next standard (F4) around 2023-2025.

    in reply to: Franco-German next generation fighter #2124278
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    I finally found the old 2013 Air & Cosmos weekly article on GaN development and spectra, unfortunately the translation was quite poor.

    A transmitter Spectra demonstrator GaN is expected in 2014.

    In laboratories UMS foundry, has detained being equal EADS and Thales shares, a revolution is preparing. The next year, a production of semiconductor gallium nitride (GaN) X-band should be characterized. This is a first for Europe.

    Since 2013 UMS was already succeeded to master the production of compo-nents operating in S-band GaN, including walking to the range of Thales Ground Master radars.

    – But the realization of elements X-band remained hitherto the preserve of the United States. For now, the active antenna radar has developed in Europe as the RBE2-AESA Rafale are in use feels component of gallium arsenide (GaAs) as ampEifi-ers hyperfrequences X-band “A slow-Equiva size GaN brings the promise of a gain factor of 5 on the power emitted, “said the chief engineer of armaments Xavier Grison, the

    Directorate General of Armaments. It’s done well the future of airborne radar that is played on this techno-logical revolution. “With the GaAs, the room for improvement is low and the current radars are already at their upper limit in terms of
    performance, “added the engineer.

    GaN X-band calls in 2013.

    For several years, favored by upstream studies programs (EAP) successive, the Directorate General of Armaments has fosters the emergence of this technology. The final PEA dated baptizes Ganymede, should lead to the realization of prototype X-band components representative of those that will be used in an operational system. Under the current schedule, this step should be reached within two to three years. But next year, the sector GaN is already qualified, which means that the manufacturing process is mastered and the performance and reliability of the component have been clearly characterized

    Will find the application that will allow GaN to make sending and ensure a significant workload UMS. Compared to GaAs, which was quickly needed in the wireless telecommunications, GaN presents fewer potential market outlets in civilian life. According to Xavier Grison, it will take at least five years before we see opera-tional First applications of GaN on airborne systems.

    Changing Spectra.

    But undeniably benefit the Rafale GaN technology in the longer term. Already a PEA called Incas (Integration of new capabilities to Spectra) examines the replacement of existing GaAs emitters by issuers GaN. As part of this PEA, a transmitter Spectra demonstrator GaN is expected end of 2014 the potential gain is at the increasing power of emission, performance and breadth of covered band.

    For its part, the civilian industry could join the technology to develop power components for base stations for mobile phones, for example. The space sector is also interested: ESA and CNES have helped fund some developments around the GaN and its possible “spatial”, for use in future communications satellites. In Europe, UMS is the only chance to see the emergence of a completely independent industrial sector in the field of GaN. The challenge is important because, as they had done for GaAs, the United States did not hesitate to apply an embargo on GaN circuits.

    in reply to: Franco-German next generation fighter #2124285
    eagle1
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    Thales GroundMaster radars are operational since 2010 and works with GaN, but also SEA FIRE which production has begun for the French navy FTI frigates. There is the NS200 also for naval application with GaN antennas. You can add the APAR Block 2 which is a GaN radar (X-band) again for naval application.

    Rafale is flying with Spectra with GaN antennas since late 2014 and the F3R standard with Spectra GaN upgrade has just been validated a few days ago by the DGA.
    The rafale F4 should feature full GaN technology for radar and EW + additional emitting panels. The RBE2 NG as it is called is in development.

    In this particular area (GaN) it is probable the rafale will enjoy for some times a lead over the F35.

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