yes congrats to SAAB !:)
At least an end for those “competitions”….Soon India will be over and we will all be bored !:D
Switzerland, Armasuisse officialy ranks the Rafale first
A few days before switzerland makes its final choice, the main operational results of the Armasuisse evaluation have been released.
Armasuisse made a first evaluation of the Gripen, Rafale and Eurofighter in 2008. Several Air to Air and Air to Ground trials were performed by the 3 contenders, in Switzerland, in order to assess their relative efficiency in different roles.
A second Evaluation was done between March and August 2009 to take into account the upgrades and improvements of the 3 fighters in their “2015 form”. This evaluation was based on data provided by the manufacturers or simulated flights. This final Armasuisse report, with updated rankings was released in November 2009 and is recommending the Rafale for the Swiss Air Force (confirming the rumors heard during the last 2 years).
In this report, each capability is ranked on 9 points, 6 points being the minimum score to meet the Swiss Air Force requirement (We understand that te 6 points benchmark would be the F/A-18C score)
©Basler Zeitung November 30, 2011
Basler Zeitung has published the scores for 2 main mission types (see above) : Air defense and Ground attack mission. The green scores refers to the 2008 evalaluation while the red scores refers to the final 2009 evaluation including 2015 improvements.
The Rafale is ranked first with 7.28 and 7.41 points,
The Eurofighter second with 6.49 and 6.54 points,
The Gripen is third with 5.68 and 5.62 points. Therefore it does not manage to pass the threshold of 6 points.Various quotes from the report :
“Rafale and Eurofighter showed generally better performance than the F/A-18, Gripen worse”
“The performance of the Gripen in air-air engagements as well as attack missions was insufficient”
“The most limiting factors of the Gripen design were the operating time, the flight performance and the maximum weapon load”
“The Rafale is the only aircraft that has met the requirements of the Air Force in all types of applications”
So the report is quite clear regarding the capabilities of the 3 aircrafts:
1- The Rafale is the best technical performer and thus recommended as the Tiger replacement.
2- The Rafale was ranked above the Eurofighter in both Air defense and ground attack missions.
3- The Gripen has serious weaknesses and is considered as a step back compared to the F/A-18 operated by the Swiss Air Force.
the Helvetic Confederation prefer the Gripen for reasons of price … against the advice of military
Decidedly, the Rafale has no chance. Switzerland has announced it would buy 22 Swedish Gripen fighter aircraft to replace its old F-5. The Gripen was in competition with the Rafale and the Eurofighter.
With France, the negotiations seemed well under way, however, to the point that it was envisaged that not only the Swiss pilot form in France but they can use our airspace, from the base of Luxeuil. They would have used the same aircraft as the Air Force (standard F3), without requiring new developments.
Fernand Carrel, the commander of the Swiss Air Force, regretted the choice of the Federal Council. “All experts know that the Rafale is the best,” he said on Radio Suisse Romande.
The Swiss authorities have explained that “financial arguments have played a decisive role in choosing the type of aircraft.” Clearly, the Gripen is much cheaper than its competitors from the euro area. The contract is worth 2.58 billion euros (3.1 billion Swiss francs), or 117 million per plane. Rafale and Eurofighter were therefore more expensive.
Dassault Rafale and the team has “regretted that the Swiss Federal Council has” deliberately decided not to position Switzerland at the highest European level as regards the performance of new combat aircraft. “The capabilities of the Rafale would allow the Helvetic Confederation to acquire a smaller number of aircraft to meet operational requirements, at a cost equivalent to or less as shown by assessments of Swiss Air Force. “This announcement is not expected to help relax the negotiations with the UAE – who want to acquire 60 combat aircraft. As they have informed the French authorities, they find the price too high, around 20%. A “non-competitive offers,” according to the Emirati authorities. The CEO of Dassault-Aviation was recently recognized at a conference organized by the Ministry of Defence: “If instead of the euro symbol, there was strong dollar, we would be competitive in price.” The contract with the UAE is estimated at around 9 billion euros.
After the mishaps in Brazil, the French aircraft industry was counting on this contract the first Swiss to score a point for export. Remains in contention in the Indian market, and of course
http://www.marianne2.fr/blogsecretdefense/Sale-coup-pour-le-Rafale-en-Suisse_a440.html
switzerland, Armasuisse officialy ranks the Rafale first
A few days before switzerland makes its final choice, the main operational results of the Armasuisse evaluation have been released.
Armasuisse made a first evaluation of the Gripen, Rafale and Eurofighter in 2008. Several Air to Air and Air to Ground trials were performed by the 3 contenders, in Switzerland, in order to assess their relative efficiency in different roles.
A second Evaluation was done between March and August 2009 to take into account the upgrades and improvements of the 3 fighters in their “2015 form”. This evaluation was based on data provided by the manufacturers or simulated flights. This final Armasuisse report, with updated rankings was released in November 2009 and is recommending the Rafale for the Swiss Air Force (confirming the rumors heard during the last 2 years).
In this report, each capability is ranked on 9 points, 6 points being the minimum score to meet the Swiss Air Force requirement (We understand that te 6 points benchmark would be the F/A-18C score)
Ranking for air superiority performance :

The Helvetic Confederation prefer the Gripen for reasons of price … against the advice of military
Decidedly, the Rafale has no chance. Switzerland has announced it would buy 22 Swedish Gripen fighter aircraft to replace its old F-5. The Gripen was in competition with the Rafale and the Eurofighter.
With France, the negotiations seemed well under way, however, to the point that it was envisaged that not only the Swiss pilot form in France but they can use our airspace, from the base of Luxeuil. They would have used the same aircraft as the Air Force (standard F3), without requiring new developments.
Fernand Carrel, the commander of the Swiss Air Force, regretted the choice of the Federal Council. “All experts know that the Rafale is the best,” he said on Radio Suisse Romande.
The Swiss authorities have explained that “financial arguments have played a decisive role in choosing the type of aircraft.” Clearly, the Gripen is much cheaper than its competitors from the euro area. The contract is worth 2.58 billion euros (3.1 billion Swiss francs), or 117 million per plane. Rafale and Eurofighter were therefore more expensive.
Dassault Rafale and the team has “regretted that the Swiss Federal Council has” deliberately decided not to position Switzerland at the highest European level as regards the performance of new combat aircraft. “The capabilities of the Rafale would allow the Helvetic Confederation to acquire a smaller number of aircraft to meet operational requirements, at a cost equivalent to or less as shown by assessments of Swiss Air Force. “This announcement is not expected to help relax the negotiations with the UAE – who want to acquire 60 combat aircraft. As they have informed the French authorities, they find the price too high, around 20%. A “non-competitive offers,” according to the Emirati authorities. The CEO of Dassault-Aviation was recently recognized at a conference organized by the Ministry of Defence: “If instead of the euro symbol, there was strong dollar, we would be competitive in price.” The contract with the UAE is estimated at around 9 billion euros.
After the mishaps in Brazil, the French aircraft industry was counting on this contract the first Swiss to score a point for export. Remains in contention in the Indian market, and of course
http://www.marianne2.fr/blogsecretdefense/Sale-coup-pour-le-Rafale-en-Suisse_a440.html
Rafale team communiqué :
11/30/11 7:06 p.m. RAFALE INTERNATIONAL surprised by the Swiss Federal Council
RAFALE team took note of the choice of Swiss authorities for the acquisition of their future fighter aircraft. She regretted that the Federal Council, as he officially expressed, has “knowingly decided not to position Switzerland at the highest European level as regards the performance of new combat aircraft.”
The capabilities of the Rafale would allow the Helvetic Confederation to acquire a lesser number of units to meet operational s, at a cost equivalent to or less as shown by assessments of Swiss Air Force.
Gripen “helvétisé” exists only on paper. Its technical development and production should increase significantly the financial efforts of the Swiss authorities for the implementation of this program.
RAFALE INTERNATIONAL thanks the 250 Swiss companies that have joined the project Industry Partnership in the 26 cantons of the Helvetic Confederation.
Bern, 30 November 2011
BURST INTERNATIONAL
Nathalie Bakhos
Export communication
DASSAULT AVIATION
Tel. + 33 1 47 11 65 11
http://www.air-cosmos.com/a-la-une/201111300177462/le-gripen-low-cost-retenu-en-suisse.html
according to Air et cosmos it should well be the gripen NG but it was still deemed less capable than rafale and typhoon.
PS : for india you can find many sources stating that the rafale scored higher so wait and see.
Coherent arguments from the swiss.
Gripen is a coherent replacement for the F5 and for Switzerland.
One has to wonder why Austria went for the typhoon as it also have a low threat environement.
Indeed : The question is why are people are talking about their favorite aircraft ? For the number of exports ? Or for arguing it is the best ? If you don’t have both you cannot be a true winner. Just my opinion.;)
If confirmed in the coming hours, the decision may cause a stir, not only in Switzerland. This weekend, the “Basler Zeitung” published two confidential reports of the Air Force Swiss concluding that the Gripen has not met the minimum requirements for testing. The explanations of the Federal Council will therefore be eagerly awaited. Just as the reactions of the two competitors.
About rafale export prospect I am waiting the indian one to know if it can make the “grand chlem” of lost competitions.:D
On the other hand I take pride in the fact that the rafale always shined in technical evaluations (korea, sigapore, dutch, brazil, switzerland and india). That’s in itself a big achievement.
If ever this technological marvel has to stay only with the french…So it be !
Conversely to what many poster say I don’t think it will mean the end of the rafale as a program. First of all the F3+ rafale is already developed and ordered by the french air force so it will remain relevant for this decade unlike some competitors who need an export to reach the next level of development.
Of course I would have loved to see it in an other airforce color but it is still nice to see it with AdA and MN colors !
http://www.blick.ch/news/politik/bundesrat-will-offenbar-den-billig-jet-kaufen-188443
Blick.ch as was told by insiders, that the Federal council wants to buy the Swedish Gripen fighter. The government is following the application of VBS chief Ueli Maurer . The Gripen is the cheapest of the three jets available for selection.
[…]
The selection of Gripen provides already critics from the “military/politicians” . “The Air Force needs the best fighter”, says SVP-man Roland Borer – this is not for him the cheap Gripen. “It did not succeed technically “reffering to confidential evaluation reports that were leaked to the media in recent days.Borer attacks even his fellow party Maurer directly: “If the responsible boss decides to buy a product that did not succeed, it is not responsible!”.Borer wants to draw “the conclusions” at the elections of the new Federal council from 14 December and lets see through that he will refuse his voice to Maurer. “And I am not the only one who think in such a way. “
the decision is already creating waves among swiss politicians …
The most recent information available is that the gripen purchased by the swiss will be the C/D variant but it will be latter upgraded by RUAG to the NG standard.
We don’t know if the upgrade will encompass engine and airframe modifications. We’ll soon have more infos.
The Federal Council has decided at today’s meeting for the cheapest plane – the Swedish Gripen. This is to say pro-government circles over Tagesanzeiger.ch / Newsnet. The procurement of 22 aircraft of this type cost cost about three billion francs, a billion less than the same number or € Rafale fighter would.
Defence Minister Ueli Maurer himself is said to have made the request to purchase this machine. He is said for quite some time, he prefer the Swedish fighter aircraft. The decision, however, could still be talking in Parliament. The “Basler Zeitung” had relied in the past two days written evaluation reports, the Swedish Gripen had flunked tests.
The operational area performed worse
According to the spokesman of the Air Force, Jürg Nussbaum, the Gripen in the evaluation of the operational area performed worse than Rafale and Euro Fighter. But this was only one aspect. In other areas – maintenance, logistics, cooperation – see the “ranking”, however, different. Moreover, it was important to assess the overall picture.
Pilot and SVP National Council Thomas Hurter asked this in a letter to Ueli Maurer clarify the situation. In an interview with Daily News / Newsnet the Schaffhauser said yesterday that he was üerzeugt that the Parliament would not speak for the aircraft purchase loans, the government should choose a type that is worse than the F/A-18.
Cost savings in other stores necessary
The cost issue is likely to have played a significant role in the decision. For the fiscal room for maneuver of the Covenant is small. Therefore, the Federal Council wanted to postpone the procurement of new combat aircraft to 2015. The Parliament urged the government but in the fall session at a rapid decision. Switzerland buys the Jets are now the new battle, spending cuts and austerity measures in other areas such as education and research, agriculture and infrastructure is likely.
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/standard/KampfjetEntscheid-offenbar-gefallen/story/28653803
apparently swiss council decided in favor of the gripen;)
The Federal Council will soon decide which fighter will replace the obsolete Tiger F-5. Behind the scenes one fights hard until the very end. It is rumored the Swedish Gripen is failing.
[…]“The quality of the generated data was scarce enough. The simultaneous control of multiple ground targets was not possible. The Gripen was assessed for the areas of air-air and air-ground as unsatisfactory. “The second report produced in November 2009 based on simulated tests with Saab, earned a total of 98 changes, while it was 18 for the French provider Dassault (Rafale) and 25 for the European Consortium EADS. Once again, the Gripen landed to third place.
The two above-mentioned reports were signed by Lieutenant General Markus Gygax. Ten days ago, the air force chief said ” i said to the Federal Council that the 3 aircrafts fulfill our requirements”. Now Gygax sees itself confronted with the reproach that he did not represent correctly the circumstances concerning efficiency of the tested types of aircraft.
According to the Air Force spokesman Jürg Nussbaum , the mentioned statements of commander Gygax were not related to the mentioned reports. “The air force commander does not correct itself” It was true that the Gripen did not reach the operational level benchmarked by the F/A-18 fighter; Rafale and Eurofighter fighter would have done better here. In other areas – maintenance, logistics, cooperation – see a “ranking”, however, different. Moreover, it was important to assess the overall picture. He still maintain the minimum requirements were met by all three fighter jets, says Nussbaum. He also points out that it is classified confidential documents which are circulating.
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Alarmed, however, was the SVP National Schaffhauser Thomas Hurter. He chaired the parliamentary subcommittee that oversees the project about Fighter Aircraft. The Panel had previously no access to the confidential reports, which evaluated the operational capabilities of the three fighter jets. The subcommittee had all three aircraft have been described as fit.
“If the Federal council select a new fighter plane, which is performance-related even behind the F/A-18, the parliament would hardly appreciate it” points Hurter.[…]The controversial arms deal is for the first time Wednesday on the agenda of the Federal Council. the selection of the aircraft will be made not only because of technological performance. The overall package with aspects such as offsets, training co-operation, and maintenance costs, development opportunities are taken into account. Not insignificant is also the question of cost: The Gripen is the “cheapest” plane.
It seems that the gripen indeed failed at the operational testing but gained some other points in other area thus meeting the minimum requirement when the global package is assessed.
But some other politics find it hard to accept to opt for an aircraft that was assessed below the F18 performance.
So it seems that it is still quite open and the decision will depend on where the priority is (costs or operational performance).