http://psk.blog.24heures.ch/archive/2011/10/02/d8dc9d4367261c1f838bc8c963734780.html

lattest informations after the swiss military budget was voted very recently is that the Typhoon is out for costs reasons as it clearly doesn’t fit the financial envelop. It also reafirms it offered the best offset package.

That leaves the rafale and the gripen in the competition.

The rafale did better on the technical evaluation (see above and under) and offers better offsets than the gripen but the gripen offer a lower price. Here we are now according to this detailed article.

But deals from three manufacturer should be updated so the suspens still exists although the author finds unlikeley that the typhoon could lower the price to the point of fitting swiss budget.

same source as here :

Rafale, the favorite
avia news, sept 15

The National Council voted today the credit necessary to purchase 22 new fighter jets [see next article], which boosts the purchasing program! I propose here a little reminder of the three competitors and their offers! The information dates back a year and it is clear that each manufacturer will be able to update them, particularly in terms of technology offered and will have the opportunity to come back. However, the 2008 assessment remains valid and one can easily rely on it.

Reminder:

The process of bidding in two phases began in January 2008 with the first tender sent by Armasuisse to four aircraft manufacturers Boeing, Dassault, EADS and Saab. In April 2008, Boeing decided not to tender (unable to respond in matter of transfer of technology). Flight tests and ground the three remaining candidates began in July 2008.

The tests included a thirty flights with each candidate. For this purpose, each manufacturer offers a two-seaters in the desired Armasuisse configuration. These aircraft were flown by test pilots of Armasuisse and Air Force, in the presence of a test pilot from the manufacturer. The aircrafts have generally taken off from the Emmen airbase. The aircrafts have also landed on military airfields in Meiringen, Sion and Payerne. The test scenarios were identical for the three candidates with the aim to test these mode air-air, air-ground and “recce”. The integration of infrastructure and the field of maintenance have been tested.

About the offsets process:

In the evaluation phase of the offers of competitors for the sale of fighter planes, each supplier must make concrete offers on offsets. These portfolios offsets are then transmitted to Swiss companies, supplemented by Armasuisse in safety requirements and acquisition policy.

In the decision phase, procurement contracts and contracts for offsets are prepared to analyze the value of different offers. This affects the overall assessment of the acquisition. The flow of direct and indirect offsets are fixed during this phase.

A program of offsets can generate over $ 2 billion of work for 2,500 people for many years. As for the Rafale, the offsets amounted to nearly 6 billion a, F 5.5 billion for Gripen E/F and nearly 8 billion for Eurofighter, so in the three cases a return well above the bill of the new fighter.

Evaluation results:

According to official results sent by Armasuisse, test results are as follows:
1 Rafale
2 Eurofighter
3 Gripen C / D (Gripen NG is proposed now, but could not participate in the evaluation).

The Rafale as favorite:
The industrial partnership:

The industrial consortium Rafale International – composed of Dassault Aviation, Snecma (Safra Group) and Thales, MBDA and its subcontractors are able to offer a Swiss industrial and scientific cooperation for the benefit of all its cantons. This offer affects the whole range of suppliers ie: the military with the Rafale, but also the civilian sector, which includes programs for Falcon business jets, the calendar type CFM56 engines and avionics for aircraft and helicopters. Some elements of the Rafale already occurred in Switzerland (glass cockpit, fuel tank and more recently additional elements of the radar Thales RBE2).

The offer provides the outsourcing of many structural components, final assembly and maintenance in Switzerland for the entire program Rafale as well as research and development. The manufacture of weapons (missiles MICA) is also proposed and the development of helmet-mounted sight GERFAUT are also concerned systems such as the system of self-protection spectrum and the second generation of OSF.

According to Dassault, the Rafale aircraft would be the best for our country, because a close collaboration with both military and industry are encouraged. In addition, the latest version (F3 +) tested in Switzerland responded to 95% in the specifications and offers the following possibilities:

-ability to flight mode “Supercruise.”
-Short take-off.
-Range and capacity for prolonged flight long surveillance missions.
-Fast implementation including soldiers of the militia.
-Easy integration of the works already constructed.

Multisensor system proposed:

The proposed version of the Rafale for our country is the most recent available is the standard 04T with the wiring for the METEOR missile, the Damocles pod XF and the new architecture IDM. The unit will have:

-AESA radar Thales RBE-2AA.
-SPECTRA autopotection system.
-OSF (Front Sector optics) next generation.
-In connection 16 (Link16) next generation (MIDS).
-Data fusion system NCW (Net Centric Warfare).

Also, it is not excluded that a more powerful version of SNECMA M-88 will be available (to be confirmed in relation to the contract in the UAE).

The Eurofighter offer:
[…]
The Gripen offer:
[…]
Comments:

To date, the Rafale is the favorite not only because of its excellent test scores but also because of its industrial offer. The plane corresponds to the budget and offers excellent prospects for modernization. Eurofighter on its side improves technically, but suffers in terms of cost! It is indeed the most expensive to buy and its obviously exceed (according to list price) the Switzerland budget, its maintenance is also the most expensive! Gripen seemed well placed, but the version C / D tested is outdated and the “NG” is suffering delay in its development and may therefore be too late, moreover it seems the industrial offer lacks guarantees.

One should nevertheless expect updated offers, but it is true that Dassault Aviation could win the bid and offer to our country a new era in aviation cooperation!
To be continued …

THE THREE CANDIDATES WILL MADE A DEMONSTRATION AT ZION MEETING THIS WEEKEND:
Eurofighter: Saturday, September 17th at 16:30 and Sunday 18 at 15:05.
The Dassault Rafale: Friday, September 16th at 14:35 and Saturday 17 to 15:00.
Gripen: Friday, September 16th at 16:45 and Sunday 18 at 13:30.

http://psk.blog.24heures.ch/archive/2011/09/14/suisse-le-rafale-en-grand-favori.html

The reason is Dassault way of doing things (negociation, lobbying) is made behind the curtains.

There is very little belly dancing in dassault’s communication.

Dilma Roussef says to Sarkozy Brazil prefers the rafale in New York but don’t have the money to buy it for the moment :

Brazilian President Rousseff said that the preference of his country was to the French military aircraft Rafale, but he could not afford them yet.

Brazilian President Rousseff recalled in an interview she and French President Nicolas Sarkozy on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly in New York, that Brazil was at present unable to make the purchase of military aircraft.

During this interview, she reiterated that his country was “not able to commit to the purchase of war planes whatsoever.” However, the Brazilian leader has confirmed that if the situation changes and that “if there should be choice, it would be in favor of the Rafale” fighter aircraft from Dassault Aviation, rather than for the F-18 Boeing. The French manufacturer has yet managed to sell its Rafale export. The French-Brazilian soap opera is not over …

http://www.letelegramme.com/ig/generales/france-monde/monde/defense-le-bresil-prefere-le-rafale-mais-n-a-pas-les-moyens-d-acheter-22-09-2011-1439443.php

same news here :

http://www.lepoint.fr/bourse/le-bresil-prefere-le-rafale-mais-n-est-pas-en-mesure-d-en-acheter-elysee-22-09-2011-1376351_81.php

and here :

http://lci.tf1.fr/filnews/economie/le-bresil-prefere-le-rafale-mais-n-est-pas-en-mesure-d-en-acheter-6725592.html

and here :

http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/actualite/economie/20110922.REU6212/brasilia-ne-peut-pas-s-engager-actuellement-sur-le-rafale.html

and here :

http://www.20minutes.fr/ledirect/792320/rafale-difficulte-economique-bresil-mesure-acheter

BlackArcher,

Scorpion gave the link right above;)

“improves technically” refers to the latest upgrades for the typhoon available compared to standard typhoon. That’s how it is meant in french.

Rafale in switzerland :

Rafale, the favorite

avia news, sept 15

The National Council voted today the credit necessary to purchase 22 new fighter jets [see next article], which boosts the purchasing program! I propose here a little reminder of the three competitors and their offers! The information dates back a year and it is clear that each manufacturer will be able to update them, particularly in terms of technology offered and will have the opportunity to come back. However, the 2008 assessment remains valid and one can easily rely on it.

Reminder:

The process of bidding in two phases began in January 2008 with the first tender sent by Armasuisse to four aircraft manufacturers Boeing, Dassault, EADS and Saab. In April 2008, Boeing decided not to tender (unable to respond in matter of transfer of technology). Flight tests and ground the three remaining candidates began in July 2008.

The tests included a thirty flights with each candidate. For this purpose, each manufacturer offers a two-seaters in the desired Armasuisse configuration. These aircraft were flown by test pilots of Armasuisse and Air Force, in the presence of a test pilot from the manufacturer. The aircrafts have generally taken off from the Emmen airbase. The aircrafts have also landed on military airfields in Meiringen, Sion and Payerne. The test scenarios were identical for the three candidates with the aim to test these mode air-air, air-ground and “recce”. The integration of infrastructure and the field of maintenance have been tested.

About the offsets process:

In the evaluation phase of the offers of competitors for the sale of fighter planes, each supplier must make concrete offers on offsets. These portfolios offsets are then transmitted to Swiss companies, supplemented by Armasuisse in safety requirements and acquisition policy.

In the decision phase, procurement contracts and contracts for offsets are prepared to analyze the value of different offers. This affects the overall assessment of the acquisition. The flow of direct and indirect offsets are fixed during this phase.

A program of offsets can generate over $ 2 billion of work for 2,500 people for many years. As for the Rafale, the offsets amounted to nearly 6 billion a, F 5.5 billion for Gripen E/F and nearly 8 billion for Eurofighter, so in the three cases a return well above the bill of the new fighter.

Evaluation results:

According to official results sent by Armasuisse, test results are as follows:
1 Rafale
2 Eurofighter
3 Gripen C / D (Gripen NG is proposed now, but could not participate in the evaluation).

The Rafale as favorite:
The industrial partnership:

The industrial consortium Rafale International – composed of Dassault Aviation, Snecma (Safra Group) and Thales, MBDA and its subcontractors are able to offer a Swiss industrial and scientific cooperation for the benefit of all its cantons. This offer affects the whole range of suppliers ie: the military with the Rafale, but also the civilian sector, which includes programs for Falcon business jets, the calendar type CFM56 engines and avionics for aircraft and helicopters. Some elements of the Rafale already occurred in Switzerland (glass cockpit, fuel tank and more recently additional elements of the radar Thales RBE2).

The offer provides the outsourcing of many structural components, final assembly and maintenance in Switzerland for the entire program Rafale as well as research and development. The manufacture of weapons (missiles MICA) is also proposed and the development of helmet-mounted sight GERFAUT are also concerned systems such as the system of self-protection spectrum and the second generation of OSF.

According to Dassault, the Rafale aircraft would be the best for our country, because a close collaboration with both military and industry are encouraged. In addition, the latest version (F3 +) tested in Switzerland responded to 95% in the specifications and offers the following possibilities:

-ability to flight mode “Supercruise.”
-Short take-off.
-Range and capacity for prolonged flight long surveillance missions.
-Fast implementation including soldiers of the militia.
-Easy integration of the works already constructed.

Multisensor system proposed:

The proposed version of the Rafale for our country is the most recent available is the standard 04T with the wiring for the METEOR missile, the Damocles pod XF and the new architecture IDM. The unit will have:

-AESA radar Thales RBE-2AA.
-SPECTRA autopotection system.
-OSF (Front Sector optics) next generation.
-In connection 16 (Link16) next generation (MIDS).
-Data fusion system NCW (Net Centric Warfare).

Also, it is not excluded that a more powerful version of SNECMA M-88 will be available (to be confirmed in relation to the contract in the UAE).

The Eurofighter offer:
[…]
The Gripen offer:
[…]
Comments:

To date, the Rafale is the favorite not only because of its excellent test scores but also because of its industrial offer. The plane corresponds to the budget and offers excellent prospects for modernization. Eurofighter on its side improves technically, but suffers in terms of cost! It is indeed the most expensive to buy and its obviously exceed (according to list price) the Switzerland budget, its maintenance is also the most expensive! Gripen seemed well placed, but the version C / D tested is outdated and the “NG” is suffering delay in its development and may therefore be too late, moreover it seems the industrial offer lacks guarantees.

One should nevertheless expect updated offers, but it is true that Dassault Aviation could win the bid and offer to our country a new era in aviation cooperation!
To be continued …

THE THREE CANDIDATES WILL MADE A DEMONSTRATION AT ZION MEETING THIS WEEKEND:
Eurofighter: Saturday, September 17th at 16:30 and Sunday 18 at 15:05.
The Dassault Rafale: Friday, September 16th at 14:35 and Saturday 17 to 15:00.
Gripen: Friday, September 16th at 16:45 and Sunday 18 at 13:30.

another point of view obviously pro greek and with less credibility :

Another thing that impressed participants from other countries is that Spanish and German Eurofighter Typhoons had no chance against the Greek F-16s, although theoretically they had better radar and made ​​use of supersonic speed without using afterburner. As for the Turkish aircrafts they were instant kill!

edit with correct link

http://www.defencegreece.com/index.php/2011/07/review-greek-participation-in-tlp-2011-at-albacetespain/