Grant licenses only to groups who can prove they have a legitimate home for the items they recover, guarantees that items will not be sold on for profit (with subsequent penalties should it be discovered that is what they have done) and that any scrap recovered from a site be sold on with the full proceeds being donated to the RAF Benevolent Fund.
And what happens when I want to sell said item on eBay?
“Purchased back in 2008 with proceeds to RAFBF…..now scaling down my collection…..have lost the paperwork…”
I would suggest the MOD, Inland Revenue, HM Customs or whoever you think is going to police this scheme would have better things to do with their time and money.
Is it the financial gain part that is bothering you? I don’t really see much difference between making money from this or making money from books about air combat and there are plenty of those about.
I don’t understand why anybody would want to assign an archaeological value to these relics (unless they are from an exceptionally rare type). Is there really any knowledge about a Spitfire that is going to be ‘lost’ if it is dug up? How long will anything last if it is left where it is?
I often feel that the objection is actually that nobody else should be allowed to dig things up!
To me the prices these relics fetch is, if anything, encouraging. I don’t think museums lack artefacts to display but what they do lack, and will certainly lack in future, is paying customers to walk through their doors and volunteers with enough interest to spend their spare time caring for the museum exhibits.
If the prices these things fetch is an indication of a level interest then that’s a good thing surely.
Yes, there are going to be different versions of events but on the whole most versions (official or otherwise) now agree about most incidents except the notorious ‘HMS Invincible attack’.
The British government ‘white paper’ regarding Argentine aircraft losses has been largely discredited when it comes to the losses inflicted by surface-to-air missiles but I doubt that it has ever officially been withdrawn.
There are also some recent British accounts that repeat incorrect or inflated claims but on the whole every loss can now be verified with information from both sides and few are disputed (with the exception of the attack mentioned above).
http://www.fuerzaaerea.mil.ar/conflicto/index_conflicto.html
Some ‘interesting’ links, particularly the official Fuerza Aérea Argentina site that seems to claim that HMS Invincible was hit by an Exocet missile and then bombed by A4 Skyhawks (although as the site points out the British deny that this ever happened).
The site also claims that HMS Hermes was also ‘considerably damaged’ (if my translation is correct) although it admits that this conclusion is reached due to the fact that aircraft apparently stopped operating off her…..must be true then.
In a previous post you wondered if it was possible that the ‘full and neutral story’ of the Falklands conflict could be produced.
So, having posted these links, are you saying that this information is neutral?
Wasn’t the first part of your post meant for ‘swerve’? 🙂
…the SHAR Drivers reported head on missile launches by the Mirages, followed by the missiles missing and the Ariges turning for home (The Mirages only came down to the SHAR’s height once, and paid the price for it) . Turned out that the missiles were in fact the Argies blowing their tanks off to ready the aircraft for combat…
Yes, quite surprising in these first combats how several different and highly-trained fighter pilots mistook the drop-tanks for missiles. I suppose it could be said that none of them had ever seen missiles fired towards them before, or that they saw what they expected to see (although later some realised what they had actually seen). This ‘myth’ is one of the most often repeated and yet as far as I know no Argentine aircraft ever fired a missile at a Sea Harrier.
The Radar that the British were trying to kill was the Westinghouse AN/TPS 43F by the way. First Anti Radiation Black Buck mission to get down to the Falklands carried two Shrikes tuned to that radar (one of the Shrikes just missed it). The Second mission (that finished in Rio with a broken AAR Probe) carried four missiles, two for the TPS-43 and two for the Skyguards, of which the two latter missiles were fired, killing a Skyguard.
I can never remember what those radars are called; I had to look it up, from a source that was wrong evidently.
Interesting what you say about the Shrike missiles. I take it that the missiles must be pre-programmed with the characteristics (frequency?) of the target radar before flight. That seems very limiting, or is that something that was only a feature of the ‘bodge-up’ mating of Vulcan / Shrike?
Didn’t the VW Beetle get a big boost from the British Army renovating the factory and restarting production to provide ‘cheap utilitarian’ vehicles for the forces of occupation?
As for reparations…..I didn’t think we got any…..unconditional surrender, not armistice? :confused:
…a large proportion of its air force (all the shorter-ranged aircraft without AAR) were sitting on the mainland with nothing to do, unable to influence events on the Falkands. What do you think they would have done if their bases were being bombed from the country next door?
Was there really much of the Argentine Air Force that was not committed to the Falklands?
Every jet combat aircraft type was committed, even if the Mirage III interceptors were pulled-back later on, and most support aircraft were fully committed. The only large reserve not committed were the Pucara that were not sent to the Islands.
Ironic really since I think the Air Force were the least enthusiastic for war at the outset.
It is the same seller who had the ‘Dambuster’ Hercules engine relic for sale the other day:
A least he withdrew the item when his error was pointed out last time.
Isn’t this the seller who withdrew the bit of Hercules ‘Merlin’ engine the other day?
I didn’t recognise the name even when I knew what it was called.
I thought I would as it looked quite ‘modern’ and not at all abandoned.
I know what you mean…..I’ve just been playing with the Google Maps version…
…and if you’re looking at an airfield and click the ‘more’ link you get a Wikipedia link about the place! :rolleyes:
Kinda takes the fun out of it though. 🙁
Anybody know what this airfield (12 miles NE of Stanstead) is called?
http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=51.970077,0.495071&spn=0.186977,0.689392&t=k&z=11
None of the surrounding places ring any bells.
Eastenders! Is that true? 😡
The BBC shouldn’t be about chasing ratings it should be about providing a public service.
Eastenders! Is that true? 😡
The BBC shouldn’t be about chasing ratings it should be about providing a public service.
Possibly, but there wouldn’t be any scandal in that.
Chinook (AE-520/ZH257) was stored for years I believe before being sent back to Boeing for a complete rebuild. It would have been as good as new when it returned and it would have been the best possible use for ‘war booty’ with the current shortage of helicopters.
It seems it is possible that major parts of Chinook ZH257 (AE-520) were used to rebuild RAF Chinook ZA704 that was damaged in an accident. I don’t know as to which ‘serial’ (or both) are now in service? Probably ZA704.
I think the Chinook (AE-520/ZH257) and Puma (PA-12/ZE449) eventually ended up being incorporated into the RAF fleets and the two A109 (AE-334/ZE410 & AE-331/ZE411) ended up being used by that rough lot from Hereford (;)).
One HU-1H is flying in private hands in the UK.
Several Pucara are in UK museums (one was even test-flown by the RAF).
A lot of the captured aircraft were in poor condition and were expended in the Falklands as range targets.