Also, taking into account the capabilities of the aircraft available it is possible that a concerted bomber effort against a specific element of the German war effort could have bought results, for instance consistent, repetative and concentrated attacks against U Boat bases and construction and repair facilities could have dramatically reduced the capacity of that force to function. As could similar attacks against steel works.
I don’t think there would have been any chance of this in 1918-1919.
The targets, U-boat construction, steelworks, sound alarmingly similar to those of the RAF in WW2. To try to do significant damage to these with the lumbering bombers of 1918 with their small bomb-loads (of tiny bombs) and against defending fighters is surely asking the impossible.
Navigation, even in daylight, and the weather would be much more difficult for a bomber of 1918, as would hitting the target with the bomb-sights available.
As with my point about the Western Front why put our forces into a position that so overwhelmingly favours the defender?
If we want to have an impact on the war better that our aircraft find a U-boat on the high seas when it’s isolated, far from home, where it can be shadowed and hounded at very little risk, where relatively minor damage would prove decisive, where bad weather is a problem for the U-boat too and where if it is destroyed the entire crew will perish.
‘ere ya go :- http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/mos2007_day01.html
Very nice…maybe they would be interested in some sort of swap? 🙂
It is a pity but apart from a Nimrod, Vulcan, Victor, Comet, VC10, Hercules, Canberra, Phantom, Lightning, Jaguar, Buccaneer, Shackleton, Sea Harrier or a Tornado I can’t think of a single airframe that is under threat, that the RAF could offer in exchange! :diablo:
I’d love to see one of these preserved in the UK. An excellent Cold War exhibit for Cosford perhaps?
It should be possible, after all isn’t there a Tu-144 ‘Concordski’ preserved in Germany?
Been there, tried it.
At that time (2000/2001) they certainly knew the ‘value’ of aircraft and were not prepared to donate anything for free despite what they might say initially. I was even asked by people in Tupolev OKB what the value of a Tu-95 might be if they put it up for auction.
I’m so impressed you’ve even tried!
I wonder how the Germans got their Tu-144, surely harder to obtain than a Tu-95…
…I suppose they must have…err…paid for it. :rolleyes:
Couldn’t one of our (many) Concordes be swapped for one? :diablo:
…Tiverton, Smuts, Arnold, Harris, LeMay. It’s all-arms, stupid.
Don’t mind being called stupid in such company…or is it just me who is stupid?
Certainly without the Western Front what blockade would be possible? But how much progress was made on the ground in four years? Manpower (without America) was running out in a situation that was stalemate in 1914.
Strategic airpower wouldn’t become effective until 1944-45 (and then not on its own) and battlefield advances such as tanks were more than off-set by improvements in the control of artillery, the real killer of the trenches.
So, agreed, not a panacea but which way round was it? Blockade supporting troops-on-the-ground or troops-on-the-ground as part of an ultimately effective blockade?
U-boats didn’t succeed in 1914-18, came a lot closer in 1939-45 and would have walked it in 1970 without a jackboot in sight but then we are an island.
Beware panaceas: air or sea blockade facilitates, not displaces boots on ground.
I thought that the sea blockade of Germany did effectively win the war in 1918…or at least bring about the armistice?
…the aircraft doing the QRA are unarmed…
Unarmed? :confused:
Err…doesn’t that kind of defeat the object? (I’m thinking about Terrorist hijacks here rather than Russian Tu-95 / Tu-160.)
I remember bumping into that chap, possibly at a BAPC meeting and I made a copy of the RZ2 manual for him. They were most of the engine but without thrust chambers.
Pity about the thrust chambers; another reason I didn’t bid.
They are also quite complex considering how simple they are in theory.
Yes, simple, in theory. 🙂
Somebody once told me the turbo-fuel-pump on a RZ2 would go from 0 to 20,000 RPM in less than a second! 😮
…would be nice to aquire one for a museum/preservation group over here…
…there must be loads of redundant models that the Russians would be prepared to pass on.
I’d love to see one of these preserved in the UK. An excellent Cold War exhibit for Cosford perhaps?
It should be possible, after all isn’t there a Tu-144 ‘Concordski’ preserved in Germany?
Not sure the Typhoons got anywhere near the Bears this time…but the good old Tornado F3s did. 🙂
I think that’s a Mk.V Barra.
RK536 Barracuda V – One of the last batch of 30 Barracuda ever built.
Ready for collection 13/02/1946
Empire Central Flying School, Handling Squadron, Hullavington 22/02/1946
783 Squadron Lee-on-Solent 14/11/1947
Royal Navy Aircraft Yard Donibristle 18/10/1948
Struck-Off-Charge Receipt and Despatch Unit Anthorn(?) 10/08/1950
Just happened to have a certain Air-Britain publication handy. 🙂
A great tragedy, yet one that has prevented crowd fatalities at British airshows for over half a century.
Am I right in thinking that this was the last occasion that a spectator was killed (or seriously injured) at a UK airshow?
Also anybody care to estimate the number of ‘airshows’ in the UK this year? At a guess I would say 25-35 of five of more aircraft and paying spectators?
I just wanted to get my facts right before responding to some ill-informed comments following the recent tragic collision in Poland.
In 2003 two Blue Streak engines were sold on eBay.
They were photographed lying in undergrowth round the back of somebody’s shed but seemed in pretty good condition…being made of stainless steel I presume?
I think they only went for about £400 each! 😮
I wish I’d bid now but couldn’t think how to move them.
Are any of these rockets preserved in this country, I’ve sniffed around and found nothing.
I asumed that there would be something at the National Space Centre at Leicester, but looking at their website, not much is forthcoming…
There is a complete Blue Streak at the National Space Centre near Leicester.
…it looks more like Disneyland than a proper mueum.
I’ve never been myself but I know a four-year-old who went recently and didn’t stop talking about it for days so they must be doing something right.
It must be almost impossible to please both ends of the…ahem…age spectrum. 🙂
Also most funding these days seems to require a heavy ‘educational’ element and that must be difficult when considering the average (or below average) ‘student’. 🙁
…an unknown (to me!) smaller rocket chamber on test.
Talking of Blue Steel could this be the boost-rocket from a Blue Steel missile?
Great picture of the Blue Streak engines on test…I have a friend who would have been operating some of the test equipment that day.
Sea Fury?
Nowhere near big enough…and Sea Fury blades were all aluminium I think.
Google has pretty good aerial photos of Woomera too:
Can’t find the launch site (but there is a Canberra and a Jindivik in the centre of town).