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  • in reply to: Vulcan v SHAR in the Falklands. #1265701
    Creaking Door
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    So Creaking Door,

    Were we the British justified in using military force to build our empire? including our original aquisition of the Falklands.

    Clearly the issue of sovereignty is a huge and thorny subject. I don’t think with limited time (and within this thread) I can do justice to this question.

    If you think that is a cop-out then you are right…it is.

    Was our use of military force during the Suez crisis justified?

    In my view it was not.

    Or how about our ‘illegal’ invasion of Iraq?

    I don’t think British forces should have been committed to either Iraq of Afghanistan.

    in reply to: Vulcan v SHAR in the Falklands. #1265828
    Creaking Door
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    If we blame the Junta then look closer, the invasion was actually planned by 2 Argentine Admirals who persuaded Galtiari to go for it. However, also we are to blame to a point, if the GOvernment hadnt been so concerned with military cutbacks, ignored the Argentine “testers” and basically hadnt messed up with Foreign Policy by allowing those idiots in the Foreign Office to ignore the Islanders hopes of being British citizens giving the Junta plenty of signs we werent bothered about the Falklands, then it might not have happened.

    Irrespective of the signals given out by the British government, and of British military cutbacks the cause of the war was down to those who used military force to settle a dispute over sovereignty.

    If Britain had had no military capability whatsoever that still would not justify the use of force by Argentina.

    The dispute over sovereignty could have been raised in the UN but that did not suit the Junta. They had another agenda and needed this invasion to divert Argentine opinion from that agenda.

    The Junta may have hoped to avoid war but when the shooting started all pretence of avoiding war evaporated…they could have given up at any point. They didn’t.

    in reply to: Vulcan v SHAR in the Falklands. #1266033
    Creaking Door
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    For some of you, the sun shone out of Thatchers backside, but she should have learned from previous mistakes and taken note of what was happening, I consider that the entire conflict was down to her neglect of the looming crisis…

    I’ve always considered that the entire conflict was down to the Argentine Military Junta.

    in reply to: Vulcan v SHAR in the Falklands. #1266155
    Creaking Door
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    An interesting account about Black Buck 7 from ‘Task Force’ by Martin Middlebrook:

    “The bombs were fitted with a radar-altimeter nose fuse set to detonate the bombs fifty feet above the ground. The object was not to crater the runway but to hit ‘soft targets’ on the airfield…

    The unfamiliarity of the nose fuses, and some ambiguously worded instructions, led to the nose fuses being unarmed…

    But the bombs were fitted with a reserve fuse in the tail, set to detonate on impact if the nose fuse failed.

    …no investigation seems to have taken place over what became of the bombs, but the Vulcan crew were convinced that the tail fuses were armed and, although they did not see the flash of explosions, a prolonged ‘crummpp was heard/felt’ at exactly the right time interval, indicating that the bombs had exploded on impact, but it is not known where.”

    in reply to: Aircraft Defects #1934080
    Creaking Door
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    I guess parking one of ther 747-400s on the golf course at Bangkok Don Muang Airport with the nose gear collapsed doesn’t count as an accident then?

    Not if the pilots walked away from it! 😀

    in reply to: General Discussion #321565
    Creaking Door
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    I guess parking one of ther 747-400s on the golf course at Bangkok Don Muang Airport with the nose gear collapsed doesn’t count as an accident then?

    Not if the pilots walked away from it! 😀

    in reply to: Vulcan v SHAR in the Falklands. #1266359
    Creaking Door
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    OTOH I understand that the first SSN, the one that first kept the 25th May in Port was actually in Faslane. “It is not HMG’s policy to confirm or deny the presence or otherwise of our nuclear submarines.” Everyone kept stumm. I seem to recall it was Sceptre.

    After my earlier post I looked up the SSN deployed to the Falklands and the dates they entered their ‘operational areas’:

    HMS Spartan – 12/04/1982
    HMS Conqueror – 16/04/1982
    HMS Splendid – 19/04/1982

    Belgrano was torpedoed on 02/05/1982 by HMS Conqueror.

    Two more SSN were deployed later. Presumably these were used a ‘pickets’ to detect Argentine aircraft as they left the mainland.

    HMS Valiant – 16/05/1982
    HMS Courageous – 30/05/1982

    With that lot out somewhere in the South Atlantic it is no wonder the Argentine navy stayed in port.

    in reply to: SQUID MISSILE? #1266682
    Creaking Door
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    The Squid (and later Limbo) were three-barrelled muzzle-loading depth-charge throwers.

    The key feature of their design was that depth-charges could be thrown ahead of the destroyer/frigate/sloop at a submerged submarine while it was still in ‘asdic’ (sonar) contact. With conventional over the side/stern depth-charges ‘asdic’ contact was lost as the destroyer/frigate/sloop steamed over the submerged submarine (which could use this opportunity to change course to escape the effects of the depth-charges).

    in reply to: unusual air combat encounters #1267230
    Creaking Door
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    Do you know the B-24 unit, and source?

    Joe

    Sorry, no. The source is ‘Scourge of the Atlantic’ by Kenneth Poolman (1978).

    in reply to: Vulcan v SHAR in the Falklands. #1267243
    Creaking Door
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    I am told by one of the Black Buck pilots that the last raid dropped the bombs safe because of confusion over the switch labelled NOSE TAIL and NOSE TAIL AND VT.

    In the case of the Falklands the correct selection for an airburst would have been Nose/Tail and VT. For an impact detonation the selection would be Tail and VT. If the airburst fuse, say the 952, failed then the tail fuse should have worked. However whether or not a nose fuse was fitted, it would be essential to select VT. If VT was not selected then neither a nose nor a tail function would work.

    Now I am speculating but I do not think there was any intention to drop the bombs in airburst mode. In that case only the tail fuse would have been fitted. Fusing selection should have been Tail and VT. [There is a possibility that it was necessary to select Nose/tail and VT because of the VT wiring but it was 35 years ago].

    The stick that failed to explode would have caused as much chaos and disruption as the one that did. Bombs that do not explode my be delayed action with delays from 30 minutes to 48 hours or even possible 96 hours. As they failed to explode the first task would have been to identify the impact area and impose a quarantine over an area at least 1600 x 500 yards and that only after you had located bombs 1 and X. I imagine there would have been a shortage of volunteers doing the initial survey!

    Thanks for that very comprehensive post…and welcome to the forum.

    Clearly the fusing arrangements were complicated enough for there to have been some confusion (in an unfamiliar role). Was the suggestion that the bombs were dropped to air-burst a way of covering-up the acute embarrassment of dropping of ‘un-fused’ bombs?

    You make an interesting point about bombs failing to explode causing as much disruption as ones that did. I hadn’t even considered this aspect.

    Thinking about it I wonder why some delayed-action bombs were not included in the twenty-one dropped. A bomb exploding two hours into the clean-up operation would have caused huge confusion (and alerted the Argentines to the possibility of more). Two more, one exploding at twelve, and one at twenty-four hours could have effectively closed the runway for another day and night.

    I’ve never heard any mention of unexploded bombs having to be dealt with at Stanley airfield either by the Argentines during the war or by the British after liberation.

    I do recall some mention of Vulcan bombs ‘deflagrating’ during the Falklands but cannot recall the source and I’m not sure if this related to the ‘un-fused’ bombs or to bombs landing on ‘hard’ ground (rock outcrops).

    Surely even bombs dropped ‘safe’ wouldn’t just be left buried underground where they fell by the British would they?

    in reply to: Bader #1267254
    Creaking Door
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    Shocking New Controversy Uncovered!

    http://gargoyles.dracandros.com/Douglas_Bader

    Bader was NOT a prisoner of the Germans!

    “…he was finally freed from the POW camp where he was being held by the American Third Army!!!

    in reply to: St.Nazaire, the Greatest Raid of All #1267264
    Creaking Door
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    Despite his TV alter ego I’d agree that JC does have a genuine respect for those who carried out the St Nazaire raid.

    I was quite impressed by the documentary he made about his father-in-law who (IIRC) won the VC during operation Market Garden around Arnhem in 1944.

    At the time I think there was talk of him making a series about the winners of the VC. Was the St Nazaire documentary the first of these or am I getting confused with another series about the VC?

    in reply to: G-HUEY (2007 thread revisited with a picture) #1267832
    Creaking Door
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    You really need some loudspeakers attached to the sides, blasting out some Wagner…. 😉

    Now, in commercial terms, that isn’t a bad idea! 😀

    in reply to: Falklands Aircraft Kills #1269711
    Creaking Door
    Participant

    Phew…glad I got that bit right!

    in reply to: Falklands Aircraft Kills #1269724
    Creaking Door
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    I assume you’re suggesting that these vessels’ associated Sea Dart radar first failed to give early warning, and then failed to lock-up targets?

    “Here is your can of worms sir…would you like me to open that for you?”

    Basically you are correct that the long-range search-radar (not the Sea Dart tracking radar) was the weak link.

    But…and it’s an important but…that doesn’t mean that Sheffield failed to detect the Super Etandard or the Exocet. What is important is that, for whatever reason, Sheffield did not react.

    What quickly, and very effectively, defeated Exocet was Chaff and this would almost certainly have saved Sheffield if used in time.

    In the case of Sheffield it was widely suggested at the time and subsequently that power diverted to sat-comms caused her radars to perform ineffectively… Though maybe this is just ill-informed speculation.

    Not power diversion and not her radars. Transmissions from the radars of the Super Etandard and Exocet could (and should) have been detected by Sheffield but she effectively ‘deafened’ herself by transmitting on her Scott sat-com system at the crucial time.

    ‘One Hundred Days’ (Admiral ‘Sandy’ Woodward) starts with a very good account of the loss of HMS Sheffield…

    …and he should know what he is talking about here…he was her captain for a while!

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