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  • in reply to: 25th Anniversary of the Tornado #1277542
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    Empire Test Pilots School

    Tactical Weapons Conversion Unit

    in reply to: unusual air combat encounters #1277566
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    A Fw200 Condor (or should that be Kurier) was shot-down by a Lockheed Hudson on convoy escort duty over the Atlantic.

    There was another, inconclusive, combat between a Fw200 and a B-24 later in the war.

    in reply to: Falklands Aircraft Kills #1282968
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    Argentine Canberra B-108 shot-down 14/06/1982

    I’ve checked which Type 42 the various books credit with this Canberra:

    Air War South Atlantic (Ethell/Price) – HMS Exeter (Sea Dart)

    Falklands the Air War (Burden et al) – HMS Exeter (Sea Dart salvo plus HMS Cardiff missed with Sea Dart salvo)

    The Royal Navy and the Falklands War (Brown) – HMS Cardiff (single Sea Dart)

    One Hundred Days (Admiral ‘Sandy’ Woodward) – HMS Cardiff (single Sea Dart)

    Sea Harrier Over the Falklands (Commander ‘Sharkey’ Ward) – HMS Cardiff (Sea Dart)

    Interestingly the ‘Navy’ men all credit HMS Cardiff with this Canberra.

    in reply to: Author of war novel ‘Das Boot’ dies #1291886
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    Does anybody know which U-boat ‘pen’ was used at the beginning (for the interior shots)? The film portrays La Rochelle but was it?

    IMDB states that (without wishing to spoil it for anybody) the He111 scene was footage shot for the ‘Battle of Britain’.

    Also the full-scale Type VIIC was used later for ‘Raiders of the Lost Ark’ but I wonder was the same U-boat ‘pen’ used?

    There also seem to be two completely different versions of the ‘party’ scene at the beginning.

    My favourite clip is the drunken Kriegsmarine officer in the gents, the dazed looking one propping himself up against the wall – we’ve all been there! :rolleyes:

    in reply to: Author of war novel ‘Das Boot’ dies #1292290
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    The BBC website is incorrect when it states the running time as ‘six-hours’.

    Six parts maybe, but only ever around 300 minutes running time.

    So it is possible (and well worth it) to buy the entire film/series.

    in reply to: General Discussion #325263
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    I suppose that depends on who ‘we’ and ‘us’ are?

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    I suppose that depends on who ‘we’ and ‘us’ are?

    in reply to: Author of war novel ‘Das Boot’ dies #1292350
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    If you’re going to see it…see the full five hours…somewhere you can have the volume turned up high. 😉

    in reply to: Falklands Aircraft Kills #1292536
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    Excellent posts everybody…

    …and some truly wonderful photographs! Some of the best I have seen from the ‘warships’ viewpoint.

    Keep them coming.

    in reply to: Falklands Aircraft Kills #1292914
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    I apologise about the amount of updating I am doing….this subject about Exeter etc. has upset me somewhat and I’m desperately trying to keep my writing subjective.

    No apologies necessary. Take your time to get your point across; I have a feeling this thread is going to be around for a while.

    Also don’t worry if you feel there is a ‘resistance’ to your recollections of these events as the ‘accepted’ version of history is a very difficult thing to change.

    in reply to: Falklands Aircraft Kills #1292923
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    Before I joined this forum if anyone had asked me about that night I would have said we fired one Sea Dart at the Mirage formation…….but you have made me doubt my memory about it.

    I’m sure there was a weapon expenditure (Sea Dart) ‘bollocking’ issued by the Admiral some time in June………..I’m sure that can be verified by someone in this forum.

    You mean a warning issued in June 1982 by Admiral ‘Sandy’ Woodward the task force commander about the number of Sea Dart missiles being fired?

    in reply to: The Honourable Finnish Swastika – a history #1293236
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    There is the original spinner from Charles Lindbergh’s aircraft ‘Spirit of St Louis’ in the National Aerospace Museum in Washington DC (which was replaced following a post-record-flight crash)…

    …and guess what symbol is painted inside?

    in reply to: Falklands Aircraft Kills #1293253
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    Historically, Argentine accounts seem to be particularly prone to exaggeration and deliberate falsehood anyway… hence the aforementioned Invincible attack.

    Yes, the ‘legendary’ Invincible attack. It is a great pity that many incidents during the Falklands war seem to have been grossly exaggerated by ‘official’ Argentine sources for propaganda purposes.

    The ‘facts’ would suggest that four of the six pilots who set out on this mission did so in the certain knowledge that they would be attacking a British carrier battle-group sailing in open water in an obsolete A4 armed with two 500lb free-fall bombs.

    If they managed to survive the Sea Harriers, the Sea Dart of the escorts and HMS Invincible herself, the Sea Wolf (of the goalkeeper frigate) and the close range guns to drop their bombs they would still have to make it back out through all that to get to their air-to-air refuelling C-130 (assuming they could find it) to have any chance of reaching the mainland.

    Of course there would be no chance of rescue for any pilot forced to abandon his single-engine aircraft due to damage, fuel exhaustion or technical failure even if he did manage to eject into the freezing winter South-Atlantic.

    IMHO that mission profile amounts to little short of suicide…

    …but that’s what mission these pilots set out on. Nobody can dispute that.

    in reply to: Falklands Aircraft Kills #1293319
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    No, that’s not what happend. I’m assuming you meant the 14th June 1982.

    HMS Cardiff was the only Type 42 involved in this engagement.

    People think HMS Exeter might have been involved (she has been credited with the kill in some books) but Exeter was not inshore that night. There were other naval assets in the area but only one 42.

    When we ‘locked-up’ the Mirages we had no idea there were a pair of Canberras in the formation. The Mirages turned away (we had not fired yet) but the Canberras (or at least one of them) continued to close. We then fired Sea Dart………..I honestly only remember us launching one, the missile went straight to the target (which was tracking straight on our radar). Guys, I am quite sure we fired one missile…….but definitely no more than a single salvo. As for the Mirages evading our Sea Darts, they had turned away before we fired.

    Now how about this……….could the Mirage pilots have been reacting to what they could see on the ground……lots of flashes, ground engagements?

    On the other hand, I could be totally wrong…………..but I don’t think I am.

    Well, that’s some history that needs to be re-written then!

    When I originally asked about HMS Exeter and the Canberra claim you sounded very sure that it was actually HMS Cardiff that got it but I had no idea that HMS Exeter didn’t fire any Sea Dart and wasn’t even ‘inshore’ that night.

    I have to say I have always doubted claims of Argentine aircraft ‘outmanoeuvring’ Sea Dart during the Falklands and if as you say HMS Cardiff fired only a single missile on 14/06/1982 then the effectiveness of this system just increased drastically.

    in reply to: This has got to be one for Blue Max! #1293485
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    Quite a reasonable estimate too.

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