G-AKXS + G-ANFC
John, thanks for reminding us of the anniversary.
As you probably know, the ORB for 205 squadron doesn’t mention the Sunderland detachment after Dec 1958 so with thanks to crew such as Bill Whiter, who checked some dates in their log books, I can add:
14 May 1959 Last Operational exercise by an RAF Sunderland. DP198 was on a Fesex I sortie with HMS Caprice.
15 May 1959 Last formation flight by RAF Sunderlands. DP198 and ML797 went on a farewell formation flight over Singapore. It was the last flight for DP198.
Both John Evans and Chaz Bowyer’s books record ML797 as flying for the last time on 20th May 1959. I’ve seen the 15th May mentioned before as a “last official date” for the Sunderlands. Is that the official date for the end of the detachment?
Here’s a photo of the last formation flight, ML797 from DP198. (I’m fairly sure this is also from Bill Whiter, but apologies if it isn’t – I can’t get to my database right now.)
Furd – please do share you reminiscences here. Moggy is right, we’d love to hear them.
Allan
Hi Bob,
That’ll probably be this cutting from the Westmorland Gazette then.
Same story linked from the book launch. There will always be people who believe something enough to phone in to local radio and say so, but if anybody has any actual evidence then I would like to hear it. So far all the evidence leans very strongly against there being aircraft there with nothing for, and now, having found a source for the rumour, I don’t think we’d get funding to drain the lake.
Mind you a police inspector once told me that draining the lake would mean years of paperwork for him with all the stuff that would turn up.
Allan
W7467 was from Austin Motors.
I really like the first photo but the one with the poppies is very good photo journalism – the poppies symbolising the problems in Afghanistan with that obvious link back to history.
I really like the first photo but the one with the poppies is very good photo journalism – the poppies symbolising the problems in Afghanistan with that obvious link back to history.
Ignoring the chance to do a kissing frogs joke . . .
Those are nice pics of ALUN, and right at the front of the forum.
Ignoring the chance to do a kissing frogs joke . . .
Those are nice pics of ALUN, and right at the front of the forum.
Hi BB, I’m just glad you put your shopping in the middle rather than off to one side.
left side, near side, kerbside, passenger side – good luck.:)
Hi BB, I’m just glad you put your shopping in the middle rather than off to one side.
left side, near side, kerbside, passenger side – good luck.:)
Oh no! Just when I thought I’d got my head around the fact that Sky actually was Sky after all (unless it wasn’t Sky) I find that I now have no idea what Night is, either!
😮
This could go on for years……!
Best that James and I don’t get too involved in the four or five versions of white on a flying boat then? 🙂
The RAAF and separately, IIRC, the RAF came up with the use of both a glossy white and a matt white on maritime anti-sub aircraft; the glossy on the underside, the matt on the sides, the different reflectivities having benefits. The RAAF tests were trialled on an Anson (well covered in Pentland, again) and I think the RAF experiments went into service on Sunderlands – this from an article in a recent model mag I have to pass to Pondskater! I may misrecall.
Spot on James, and thanks for thinking of me with the article. By e-mail would be good otherwise I need to send you my new address.
Anyway, this is how the AM wanted flying boats and other coastal aircraft painted in 1943. The gloss was created from either a special gloss synthetic or a transparent coating on the cellulose. I always thought that scheme very reminiscent of seagulls. Sunderlands started rolling out the factory in the new white scheme from March 1943 (according to photos in a new book on one of Short’s factories. ;))

It is an area where the semi-knowledgeable should be wary to tread
Oh well, back to the bunker then.
Allan
as is the reference to “deep sky” – which i think is someting like but not (is that too imprecise for this thread) PRU blue . There are colour pictures around of Fortess IIs using this (or the american equivalent)as an underside colour – which scheme was it intended for?
Deep Sky is not mentioned in that document’s appendices of colour schemes for aircraft in specific roles, certainly not in the bomber command schemes. It doesn’t distinguish between US and UK built aircraft, just the role and theatre of operation.
Now whether that means it is an old colour still in stock or for some minor purpose I wouldn’t like to say – not on this thread 🙂
And I can’t see a mention of “Type S” anywhere in the 1943 doc associated with any colour. I await the result of Mark12’s investigations with interest.
BTW, did you know that using Lanolin paints on a big flying boat could save nearly 200 lbs of weight over using cellulose or oil based?
Allan
Ah….but was it Sky or Sky?
Yes.
But then I only dropped in for a five minute argument. I’m more interested in how much lanolin paint was used on BOAC flying boats. 😉
Thought I would thrown in a couple of documents from an Air Ministry file (DTD Technical Circiular 360 c1943) and then retreat back to my bunker.
First, a list of paint colours which shows a variety of sky shades – however, read on to see what was used on fighters and naval aircraft.
The colour schemes for fighters

and naval aircraft

And finally, as Mark said above, the use of the codes S and C to indicate paint types.
Have fun