Excellent replies – thank you. 🙂
I was particularly interested in the parallel between the German GO242 C-1 and the story I had been told. It highlights a difficulty with oral history – it takes some care to separate what somebody has experienced from hearsay and from the bits they add to fill in gaps in the story. Possibly he had heard about troop carrying flyingboat gliders but had got the details muddled.
The Windermere glider was apparently converted for the local ATC unit and only flew a couple of times – the hemp rope became soaked and very heavy and they couldn’t get hold of a suitable wire cable.
Of course the Slingsby Falcon is a licence built version of the German Schleicher Falke.
Allan
From my bookshelves (largely G R Duval’s “British Floatplanes”):
Some Tiger Moths were float equipped, radio controlled gunnery targets for the RN, renamed Queen Bee.
The Blackburn Shark
Vought-Sikorsky Kingfisher
Hawker Nimrod
Auster
DH89 Dragon Rapide – by de Havilland Canada
Bristol Bolingbroke – one tested on floats but not used operationally.
Just off the top of my head, the Short Scion operated as land and floatplane. Quite a few 1920s aircraft would have had the option to fit floats – the Short Gurnard for instance and the Fairy III operated with wheels and floats (at different times).
I’ve also seen a photo somewhere of a Swordfish on floats.
John,
I suspect the incident you are thinking of is 29th May 1943 when Sunderland T9114 from 461 Squadron landed at Angle Airfield near to Pembroke Dock in South Wales. Having picked up survivors from a Whitley and a Sunderland in the open sea, the hull was ruptured on take off so a water landing in Milford Haven was not possible. The aircraft, largely, survived the landing and most importantly, the crew were unhurt. The Sunderland was later scrapped nearby.
I don’t have a picture but there is one in John Evans’ book Sunderland Flying Boat Queen vol1. (p37)
The one I was thinking of as well was Sunderland EJ153 on 5th June 1951. On a night time practice bombing mission with 235 OCU operating from Calshot it hit a hill, slid along and managed to fly off again. The crew spent a long night burning off fuel, shoveling out soil and shoring up the damaged hull. The aircraft flooded on landing but a couple of boats helped to keep it above water until she was beached. The attached photo shows the scale of damage – done by putting a hose inside the aircraft before she was patched with concrete and returned to Shorts for repairs.
I only vaguely recalled hearing about the New Zealand incident. Being able to read the full details is great – that’s why I come to this website 🙂
Allan
Pondskater should have added that he is a Shorts expert.:)
Well that’s very kind but I prefer enthusiast;) I’m OK when it comes to what Short Brothers were doing in the 1930s & 40s but Shorts in the 1980s is an area I have to go and look up. My current project involves meeting some former workers at Rochester but there are others here who know more about the Belfast operation.
And I love the internet too 😀
Dave,
Wonderfully told story. It was not the only Sunderland to survive a scrape along the ground but this is a superbly detailed story – thanks for drawing attention to it. The Sunderland, NZ4113 is former RAF PP124.
And John, thanks for your link too.
My main interest is in NZ4109 (exDP191) and DP198 (W with 205/209 in Seletar). Both were built just a couple of miles away from me here.
Allan
A little digging has produced the expected shaggy dog. For instance, Jane’s entry for Flight Refueling records their work in adding refueling gear to Nimrods, Hercules and Vulcans and also to Tristars (with Marshalls at Cambridge) but no mention at all of modifying a Gannet. And I can find nothing about Shorts doing anything either.
Hopefully this story will sink faster than the fictional aircraft.:)
Oh no – am I being drawn into an enigma? 😀
I’ll dig about and see what I can find if somebody else can track down the serial No of the Gannet. I’m always willing to be proven wrong (and happy to be proven right!)
Oswald, Horace and Eustace Short
The three Short Brothers were even joined by a son, Francis, in the family business.
True pioneers. Involved in manufacturing balloons before they negotiated to build Wright flyers under licence and became the worlds first aircraft company.
By Shorts? Doesn’t sound right. Without checking, I can’t think of anything they’d built for water since the 50s.
Why get them to put somebody else’s floats on a Gannet? And where would the RN find a current float pilot? :confused:
I can imagine a conversation but not a conversion.
Fascinating thread.
Thanks for listing the Short 184 at the FAA Museum (even though it is only a partial fuselage) I’ve been trying to find if there are any others from the Short Brothers stable but apparently not. It is amazing how much they produced and how much is now lost.
Anyway – the question is, I was told at the weekend that some Short 184s went to Greece. Has anybody any knowledge about whether or not there is a survivor there?
I was excited until I saw it was from the Daily Mail :rolleyes:
Still lets hope. £3 million doesn’t sound that high. Didn’t the BBMF spend over £1m resparring their Lancaster – that must have been ten years ago now.
Well, there’s the obvious things such as the Loch Ness Wellington.
But in this part of the world there are a couple:
Spitfire P7540 recovered from Loch Doon, Dumfries
Magister L8355 recovered from Ullswater Lake District 1974 by local ATC Unit (where is it now?)
Suprisingly there’s not that much in the Cumbrian lakes – aircraft tended to hit the mountains rather than the water.
Not central to my area of research but sites like this show the internet at its best. I’m in awe of anybody who can do this amount of work – and I know just how much is involved not just in researching it but typing it all in and updating.
It serves as an invaluable resource but also a memorial to bomber crews – I’ve just typed in 14 May 1940 and the list of aircraft lost over Sedan is quite sobering.
I would like a copy of the book in question.
I have a copy somewhere but now can’t find it. Anyway, if you have trouble tracing it, try http://www.abebooks.co.uk. Title Fighter Pilot, authors Colin Strong and Duff Hart-Davis. You’ll find some hardback copies for a few quid.