Well it’s probably a Su34 pilot who read his map upside down and got lost.

Nic

It could have been, we will see after the results of the investigation.

If countries didn’t get involved in other countries affairs these sort of accidents wouldn’t happen. Eventually the VVS will kill civilian casualties in Syria as well.

I am well aware of what Su-24/25 is and its capabilities. You are totally missing both my point the original post I’ve answered:

To summarize, I’ve said, bringing in air-to-air *only* types like Su-27 or MiG-31 would upset US and regional players like Turkey and Israel among others, which Russia doesn’t need, or may not even afford right now.

Again, If Russia IDs their aircraft to other parties, MiG-29SMT is the best choice. From US POV, there will be flying dozen *Russian* aircraft, instead of 4-5 (Su-27 or MiG-31s). MiG or Su, no one will dare attacking a Russian aircraft.

If not, there will be dozen unidentified “MiG-29” in the air which will be mistaken as Syrian unless Russians specifically say “hey we transferred MiG-29s to Syria and we are flying them at this location!”. I don’t have stomach to discuss it further (especially with JSRs idiotic comments), but this inherently carry a great risk of getting shot by Turkish and Isreali, who routinely shot Syrian aircraft. And such mistakes DO happen; Most recent such conflict (ie different parties using same aircraft) was Russia-Georgia war; Russians lost 4 Su-25s, 3 were shot down by friendly fire.

So in this case Su-30SM, which can be readily identified as Russian, is the best choice for reinforcing the current Russian expedition. Got it?

The VVS are not are going to operate aircraft from very rough airfields in Syria any day soon – I’m sure the airfields they are using today are good enough to cover most of Syria. The Su-30 is a much better air defence platform than any MiG-29 airframe – much bigger and powerful radar, greater warload, greater range and time on station in the CAP role. Russian MiG-31s would never be operated outside the Russian Federation.

Now, Now, keep the politics out of it – do as Frank the mod says…

By your logic you should be asking Americans to bomb the separatist.

Syrian separatists? Yes I probably should. Aren’t the Ameriacans already doing that?

And by what measure does you find similarity in ISIS and separatists?

You mean similarity between Syrian separatists and the Russian separatists in Eastern Ukraine? aren’t they all just looking for national self-determination in one form or another?

Do you want to?

Not particularly no, but they are full of separatists, in some ways similar to ISIS and these so called ‘moderate’ rebel – sauce for the goose and all that…

I am not sure whether the F-14 is the best base for comparison.. Although the much trumpeted 2×AIM-9 +6×AIM-54 loadout (6,400 lb) was possible, it was rarely used due to weight stress on airframe. Typical Tomcat loadout was 2×AIM-9 +2×AIM-54 +3×AIM-7 = 3,900 lb. Weight-wise that corresponds to roughly 4xR-73 +4xR-27ER loadout and that is nothing that the Su-33 wouldn’t regularly handle.

It is the practical usefulness which plays a role, not the theoretical max. loadouts.

How often did Su-33 take off with 4 R-73 and 4 R-27? Have you seen a picture of this?

JoeinTX, as much as a Tomact fan as I am, I have to agree with your analogy re the “improved Phantoms”
One could almost base this analogy that in truth for its 32-year career, the Tomcat never used its Aim-54 Phoenix missile in actual combat! (Just my analogy)

That’s not much of an analogy. In any case, AIM-54 was used a few time by the Iranians.

If Lockheed CEO Hewson is to be believed F 35 is the most stealthiest.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense-news/bizwatch/2015/02/22/lockheed-maryllin-hewson/23628169/

Of course he did, it’s his job to say such things. If the F-35 is not the stealthiest then it can only be the F-22 – his company makes both of them. Other candidates: T-50, J-20 are further down the line in service.

how did you copy the text in that pdf ?
when i tried, i got a single word for each line, making my response quote 3 cm wide, and a meter long 🙂

I just left-clicked and dragged the cursor over the text, then right-clicked to copy and paste. I’m using Google Chrome browser, that might make the difference?