But, I wonder what could have happen to all these thousands of people that have job becuase of the aid. Let’s take for example the falks in Boeing. If we didn’t ordered (and I’m trying not say “paid”) F-15Is, what would happen to the people who are working in the production line of the F-15 that was about to be closed at that time?
That’s right, they were fired!

So what. My tax dollars support a program to give away fighters. Yes allies need hardware, but there is a point where it isn’t a big help for the economy, it is corporate welfare. The aircraft production industry is hardly stable employment anyway. Same with the F-15K. Same with the Polish F-16 deal ( the ultimate give away deal ). The corporations and obviously congress certainly aren’t concerned about U.S. employment. Especially when you have 3000 + / – workers in turkey building F-16 components and Samsung does a big chunk of Korean F-16s etc.

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Well we didn’t use them to take out Iraq, so I don’t see the advantage on that theory at all. They should have enough to defend their country and thats it.

Originally posted by Erez
Oh, poor baby.
As if you are so missing them:rolleyes:
I wish we really didn’t need them, but with you guys letting falks like the Iranians have WMDs, you can’t say we don’t need to defend our selfs.
May I also remind you that your own people are the ones who gain from these “sells” to Israel. It gives your people thousands of work places.
The fact that we may don’t like the radar isn’t your problem.
Besides, my personal opinion is that this all thing is a show jsut to put some pressure on the US.
If they really wanted a good Israeli radar for the Sufa they would take the El- M/2035, the more advanced version that was intended for the Lavi. Funny though that we consider installing radars that were developed for the Lavi in the 80s and 90s on a plane for the 00s.
BTW, that reminded me how afraid you were when we worked on the Lavi about the fact that you will loss a lot of work places and money, so don’t bitch now about how you “waste my tax dollars”.

Hey I don’t have a problem with IDF having good combat jets. But there is a point where it is getting to be too much. Hard to make too much benefit for our economy when the taxpayer is practically giving away the jet also. Its not like the customer actually pays for a big chunk of the jet. By the time all the different colors of money change hand, they don’t. So you will excuse me if I am a bit tired of our system when it comes to large sales. I don’t mind selling stuff out of the boneyard but even that gets expensive for the taxpayer when it is a large number of jets.

U.S. Army Aviation has big problems. They can’t mission plan Apache strikes correctly. Unless they change the aviation culture, its going to get worse. New toys won’t solve core leadership attitude problems.

Killing the RAH-66 and the V-22 programs would make my day.

….. but against armour you’d send in A-10s and Ah-64s.

No. You send in the CBU-105 WCMD ( all weather GPS guided container ) ( optional Diamondback ) with Sensor Fused Weapons ( SFWs ( skeets )

This method kills more armor than AH-64s or A-10s could imagine in even their most wet of dreams. And you don’t get engaged by small SAMs and AAA. Something the Apache and A-10 have a problem with.