Maybe the resident Filton expert is away for the weekend?!
That could be me? I’m an expert on most of Filtons history, but unfortunately over the years I’ve found very little on the USAAF side of things, apart from what has been mentioned earlier. I have a feeling that the West Works were used, I think I remember reading that somewhere. The West Works were built around 1917, comprised three Belfast hangars, and were used by the Aircraft Acceptance Park. Later on they were used by BAC Engines, later Rolls-Royce, and were demolished in the 1990s to make way for the Royal Mail sorting office.
I don’t have any photos, but I’m interested in seeing the ones mentioned earlier, I couldn’t find them by Googling. Any chance of a direct link?
It’s possible that there is something in the Bristol Aero Collections archives at Kemble, I’ll get in touch with the archivist. Unfortunately my website is a bit out of date and in need of a clean-up, I’ll get to it when they introduce that 8th day in the week…
Andy
http://www.filton.flyer.co.uk
… I’ve found the website now, here is a link to some of the photos…
http://www.footnote.com/search.php?query=filton&vs=1&category=wwii-hp&nav=4294966796&id=28439236
Although so far some of them don’t particularly look like Filton.
I read a report that the cockpit section at least of the Enstone wreck was bought and removed by someone reputedly for use as a plaything
Correct apart from the ‘bought’ bit, it is in the original owners garden in the Slough area.
After the Freighter crashed at Enstone I used to fly over it as it was left where it had flopped next to the runway for quite a while, presumably while the AAIB did their stuff.
The remains were carefully dismantled, so that as much could be salvaged as possible.
There is an excellent Freighter fuselage CF-TFZ apparantly available “free to good home” at Beaverlodge Lake Canada.
The Freighter hulk has been derelict for over 50 years, but could still be restored. It has been ‘offered’ by a certain indvidual, but given its remote location the recovery would be hugely expensive.
As the Biffo is a type that made a substantial contribution to UK aviation history post WW2 I always felt it should be represented in a museum somewhere, most probably Filton.
So would it not be possible to get a fuselage shipped from NZ/Canada/Oz to build a composite. The last airworthy one was to be flown to the UK at one point but fuel costs killed the plan. But a fuselage brought by sea would be far less expensive.
A group of individuals have put a lot of effort into trying to bring one from NZ/Canada/Oz to the UK, but logistically it is complex, but more crucially it is not an easy one to raise funds for, as it’s not a ‘sexy’ aircraft. Still, may a miracle will happen one day…
Andy
I suspect only someone associated with Loganair could have taken that photo. How very nice and clean it was kept. Much cleaner than the Loganair Islander I took a pleasure flight in from Kirkwall in 1999!
I remember it living in the GA hangar rather than the Loganair hangar, and in those days all and sundry could pop their head round the corner, or walk round with permission. I was a – what’s the term, ‘hangar rat’? – in that hangar in the late 70’s, volunteering for all sorts of jobs. Nothing changes…
Andy A.
It must still be there, but how far down or what condition it’s in I don’t know. I tried to find out more about it several years ago, on this forum…
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=587
There have been a couple more mentions on the forum but nothing substantial.
There have been many reports of a tail sticking up through the mud at low tide, but this may be the He111 that also ditched in the Severn.
I would imagine that because the Severn Estuary has one of the biggest tidal ranges in the world, recovery would be extremely difficult. I’m up for it though, I’ve got me wellies ready 😮
Andy A.
I remember seeing this in the GA hangar at Glasgow in the late 1970’s. I don’t remember seeing it flying, although it must have flown occasionally as the pics from Prestwick show (June 1977?)
It appears to have been owned by Miles or related companies right up to it accident, so why was it based a Glasgow instead of Shoreham?
Andy
The restoration project was stopped around 2005, when the Museum was restructured with the arrival of Concorde. The components went into storage in one of their buildings, and as far as I know, they are still there. Since then, other projects have taken precedence, like the arrival of the ex-Cosford airliners.
Andy
MM583 “RS-07” at Vigna di Valle is the only one I know of that starts “RS-0”:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Italy—Air/Aeritalia-G-222/0922658/M
Further searches show it has recently moved to Germany, to a place called Irrland at Twisteden.
A.
The flight sheds at Larkhill, a mile or two north east of Stonehenge, still exist. These were built in 1910 by the British & Colonial Aeroplane Company (later renamed the Bristol Aeroplane Company), originally for test flying, later used by the Bristol Flying School. Not Stonehenge I know, but nearby, older, still surviving, and more historically significant.
http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/aviation/airfields/Larkhill1.html
Andy
Thanks for that AM, I’m surprised it would a P4, but I trust your judgement! One more question – is there a difference in size between the P4 and the P8?
ta,
Andy
Anybody got an inkling of it’s destination – there can only be a limited number of destinations at that price
Australia was rumoured some time ago, which would make sense given it comprises components from Australian built and/or Australian operated examples. Pure speculation though.
Andy
Looks like the centre wing section has been sliced in three, and the front third of the rear fuselage is still attached. So its been sliced in all the wrong places, probably just for quick transportation. There isn’t a great deal you can do with it, apart from restore what you’ve got there, so it could make a good trailer mounted exhibit. Still, cockpit appears to be more intact than most I’ve seen (can we have that control column?). I believe those the the bomb bay doors lined up at the start, nice to have those. It would be nice to see more photos or video!!
Andy A.
We may have a surprise in store for this years open day.
XX889 will fly? 😉
At last years Kemble Open Day in September they had notice boards in front of each Hunter, not only with individual histories, but also with the plans for each one. Some were future restoration projects, some were for spares – unfortunately I can’t remember which was which. However they may do the same at this years Open Day (Sunday 14th September) so its worth keeping an eye out. I thought last years was a particularly good event, which allowed a close look at the resident historic (Britannia, Hunters, Canberras, Buccaneer + visiting cockpits), a peek inside Delta Jets hangar, plus a good display to boot.
Andy A.
Is that tiny man in red, standing up in the cockpit, the pilot?
Just to clarify, there were/are several Brisfit replicas in the US.
a) Ed Storo built a replica, first registered in 1992 (N624), using chrome-molybdenum tubing and a modern Ranger engine. This was bought by Peter Jackson in New Zealand in 2002, and is now registered ZK-JNU.
b) up to 6 replicas were built by Visionaire in the early 1980’s for the Film ‘The High Road to China’ but not used. I think only 4 were completed, and two flew. One is now on display at Chino (the second, N34HC) and another at Valle, Arizona (the first, N29HC). One did appear in another film, don’t have the details to hand.
c) The Vintage Aviation Heritage Foundation in Texas are currently building two airworthy Brisfits, one replica and one using an original frame. They are currently on the US register, but I don’t have the numbers to hand at the moment.
d) In 2005, Bob Trickett sold his Brisfit project (which comprised of original parts) in the USA, but I don’t have any details.
As Mark says, I suspect the query refers to Ed Storos one.
Andy A.