I’d like to point out that recent history is indeed taught at school: my son’s two girls are both/have both received good tuition on subjects as diverse as the Weimar republic and life in the trenches. They are both in their teens and both show a deep interest in our recent history. Eldest girl has even joined the CCF.
So let’s not put the blame on teachers or the education system: there can be no excuse for this sort of disrespectful and idiotic behaviour. I do hope the culprits are caught and made to do community service with those who served.
Plus of course no airworthy Meteors in the UK (one in the USA though). Spit, Mossie, Lancaster and Hurricane all available in North America too.
I do have to wonder how they got in: airstairs in situ and doors not locked? None of which excuses this, but maybe measures could have been put in place? Plus if I recall these aircraft are a fair way from the perimeter fence, so again I do wonder.
Not sure TIGHAR has ever ‘planted’ anything, but who knows? And a book that makes a convincing case that Miller [‘s aircraft] went down in the Channel would be about as useful as a book that tells you the Tower of London is in London!! Well duh – where else did the aircraft crash and no-one noticed?
Incidentally I have the Wings Over Wiltshire book so can copy the Upavon sections for you if required.
Janie.
WW1 records are few and far between (I see he was there June to October 1918): there’s what looks like a War Diary held by the National Archives (AIR 29/604) but from past experience this will contain only a potted history of pre-ww2 events.
My suggestion would be to contact the RAF Museum, which might hold his flying log book; ditto Leeds University Liddle Collection. You might also find records of some of the other units he was with (5 School of Aeronautics; Armament School, Uxbridge; No.3 Fighting School) but again from past experience it’s usually the case that those records don’t survive.
Well an R-1340 would be a more unusual engine to dredge up (compared to say a Merlin, Pegasus or DB.605) but I suspect it’s more likely that any 9-cylinder radial will be labelled ‘proof’. I can’t wait to find out, now that we know what really happened to Amelia and Fred.
Best hope would seem to be that you could recover a Pratt & Whitney R-1340 Wasp (a reasonably unusual engine to find in the Channel) and maybe link any serial numbers to Miller’s UC-64. But finding one based on charts of where the aircraft’ last reported position, plus the currents over the last 70-odd years (based only on an estimated position) PLUS the major possibilities of stuff being moved around by trawling activity over 70-odd years makes it all a bit hit-and-miss. Smaller area than the Pacific though, so presumably we won’t be seeing a ‘UK VII’ expedition before this group of jokers manages to (without any evidence) declare what actually happened…
Well fingers crossed they get sympathetically restored.
Thanks for posting: just watched them all and it looks like it will be interesting to watch developments.
Or rockers?
Breaking Bad did a good job of killing off key characters…
Just finished watching it for the first time in maybe 30 years: it still looks like a very good attempt and considering the constraints of secrecy still surrounding Upkeep at that time, very well done. It’s as I remember it. which doesn’t apply to many things re-viewed after 30 years or so. OK the special effects could be improved upon, but the availability of several genuine Lancasters more than offsets that.
To the present: a ‘Band of Brothers’ type of treatment for 617 would work very well and I hope it happens. Plus it would allow the production crew plenty of room to give more insight into individual members.
Small anti-dazzle panel matches the nose of WL360 whilst at Yatesbury, as does what appears to be a replacement silver access panel just visible cutting into the anti-dazzle on the stbd side, so I’d say it still has the nose of ‘360.
I still don’t know how they think they’ll know if it was shot down or not: kudos for finding it but I suspect that’s pretty much the end of the story.