Why do his posts bother folk so much?
I think it’s because his posts/website smack so much of ‘no effort’. He rips stuff from books/internet, does no research (unless one counts Googling, which some sadly do) and posts purely to get others to make money for him.
He also has no intention of responding to posts which might be considered useful/helpful, even though most of his forum threads end with some type of question.
In my humble opinion he contributes nothing, and though I did look at his website a couple of times, I don’t feel the need to now: I have learnt my lesson. However I am curious to observe how many similarly-minded folks he’s annoying – folks who I assume are as inquisitive as I was and are making the same mistake that I did.
…”He’s a very naughty boy”
sorry couldn’t resist.
Dammit I was going to say that!
Truly the end of an era.
Farewell to a great Briton and possibly our greatest aviator.
You mean the 6 pages I mentioned in the PM I just sent you? Fine!
Yes – hence my comment in post #9 above!
See email I have just sent, including a photo of your man, just in case you don’t have it.
Only one query remains: I doubt he learnt to fly with 98/198 Depot Sqn, and so there would appear to be a bit missing from his record, circa June 1917 to show elementary flight training (on Maurice Farman, Avro 504 or possibly DH.6 – the latter just being introduced at that time).
Thanks Sabre. Can I get back to you about his records, as they are not really mine, just “loaned”? I’ll PM you.
Laurence: I also have his records so no worries there. I’ll reply in a bit.
12 Training Depot Station (TDS rather than JDS): at that time it was based at Netheravon. TDS were usually formed by combining two TS (Training Squadron), to achieve economies of scale in training.
I’d be happy to translate his RFC record if you need it. Sometimes they can be confusing to the uninitiated!
Yes I’d say it’s a DH.10A, with Liberty engines.
There are a lot of Martlesham reports in archives, so I’d say that RAF Museum would be a good start. Ditto The National Archives.
Good example here:
AVIA 6/4229 Ministry of Defence and predecessors: Royal Aircraft Factory, later Royal Aircraft Establishment, later Royal Aerospace Establishment: Reports. SUBJECT: EXPERIMENTAL FLYING. Failure of the starboard engine in flight on D.H.10 aircraft No. E.6042 with twin Liberty … Failure of the starboard engine in flight on D.H.10 aircraft No. E.6042 with twin Liberty engines.
T-33 and F-100 being prepared for return to USAF and an uncertain future.
Nice one: I do like the DH.10!
According to a copy of the list I have the following are owned by the NMUSAF and on loan to the IWM
AIRCRAFT, A‐10A, 77‐0259
AIRCRAFT, F‐100D, 54‐2165
AIRCRAFT, F‐111E, 67‐0120
AIRCRAFT, F‐15A, 76‐0020
AIRCRAFT, HUNTER MK 6, XE627
AIRCRAFT, SR‐71A, 61‐7962
AIRCRAFT, T‐33A, 51‐4286
AIRCRAFT, U‐2CT, 56‐6692
Yeesh. That’s not happy reading, bearing in mind the great restoration done to the F-100 and T-33 and what’s occurred recently.
Yes that’s the man. I got copies of 6 pages of his service records and the data match. But what you say definitely links the army and RAF. His record mentions “Can 272242”, so he is in fact your second man.
Indeed: so the final two pages of the six pages in his RFC record are not relevant to your chap.
Couple more bits:
[ATTACH=CONFIG]244119[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]244120[/ATTACH]
I am sure there will also be an accident report at the National Archives, but from experience it will likely be buried in a casualty file and not individually referenced.
Papers are Framlingham Weekly News of 12th March and Western Times (Exeter) of 12th March, respectively.
See also under ‘To be Married’ here:
https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1921/1921%20-%200161.html?search=Gardner
Looking again, there are indeed two ‘HW Gardner’ airmen (please ignore the link I sent: this man can be discounted as he was discharged an invalid in 1916!): one, a Canadian with s/n 273242 (or 272242?), who was discharged in Canada in December 1918, and not relevant.
‘Your’ man is Harold William Gardner, born 11Jan94, and indeed ex-London Scottish (private, s/n 4413). His RFC record gives ‘MK Crockford’ of Croydon as his sister.
CWGC luckily goes up to 1921 and a search of the CWGC site provides grave and next-of-kin details for the Gardner killed in the DH.10 crash:
[ATTACH=CONFIG]244118[/ATTACH]
This ties your man to the RFC record, and also gives a dob. He’s in the 1911 Census with sister May Kathleen (see above (Crockford is her married name)), and he’s listed as born in (Eanston?) Rd – London (not Canada).
Hope this helps.
Canadian records here – possibly your man:
http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?op=pdf&app=CEF&id=B3406-S053
And yes-definitely could be ex-London Scottish. However there seem to be at least two ‘Harold Williams’ here: one discharged 1918 and another still in the RAF into 1919.
I’d suggest contacting the RAF Museum, who should have a Casualty Card for the man, possibly a report for the aircraft and maybe personal items for the man. They do hold a number of log books, but don’t expect aircraft record cards like with WW2 and later RAF machines.
I’ll see if I can locate anything else.