Buried in Asia somewhere?
Nice one centurion.
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Well it wouldn’t be the first time. She was originally registered 53-3718 with the USAF!
Doesn’t look like USAF to me: though I don’t have its post-55 IARC, the trail looks very much like US Army:
L-20A 53-3718
Contract AF-22529
Available 11Jun54
Accepted 24Jun54
Delivered 12Jul54
Toronto AMC 24Jun54 (new production)
To Sacramento AMA, McClellan AFB 12Jul54
San Francisco port of embarkation for sea transportation 16Aug54
Arrived, 6408th Maint Support Gp, Kisarazu Japan 11Sep54
To Army 08Oct54 (flyable inactive)
Thus it looks like it probably spent most of its time with the Army in Japan/Korea. Any L-20 experts out there?
(note: DHC2.com doesn’t have this data – just the ’12Jul54′ delivery date)
Paul Lashmar’s 1996 “Spy Flights of the Cold War” Sutton ISBN 075089 1183 2 tells part of the story.
Also the late Sqn Ldr John Crampton rtd. gave a lecture on the U.K. RB-45 flights to an Air Intelligence Symposium at the RAF Staff College in 1996 which was published in Air Pictorial 1997 p.p. 431-433.
There are several Books covering the U.S. missions. William Burrows’s “By Any Means Necessary” 2001 ISBN 0 09 943625 6 being a good example.
Many thanks: maybe we need bibliography project first!
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A book with a definitive account of the British over flights of the Soviet Union in the 1950’s. After all it’s a matter of public record that Premier Khrushchev did tell President Eisenhower “if you send anymore Canberra’s over we will shot them down”, being unaware that the latest over flight was in fact the first one made by th U2. The U2 operations are really well addressed but details of the Canberra over flights are still very much top secret. All that has so far been published seems to have orignated from the US. Although not over flights, I was told very recently the Victor R1’s did some scary stuff when they first got into service.
Ditto Martin Mercator, RB-50, RB-45 (both USAF and RAF crews) etc. Add in the various shoot-downs of those types and it would be one interesting story from both sides’ view.
Very true, I spend more on acquiring material than I ever hope to get back. I bother because it is my hobby and I like to share what I have learned rather than just sit on it
Ditto: but Binbrook has a point. Many authors obviously don’t do much ‘research’ beyond Googling the subject and it’s getting to be a joke. It used to be bad enough when plagiarised mistakes came from other books that had at least gone back to primary source data, but when Wikipedia is as deep as ‘research’ gets, it starts to get ridiculous.
Research = money and unless you’re an enthusiast you generally won’t make any money out of doing a decent book. Recently the ‘jump on the bandwagon’ WW1 books have shown this to be the case, with a number of authors stepping well out of their comfort zone to make a quick buck, and filling the shelves with yet more garbage.
I have almost been lured into a similar situation myself: having completed one manuscript for a publisher, I was asked if I’d be interested in doing another book on a vaguely similar type, and was on the point of saying yes (worth £2000 in old money) when I realised that I was massively unqualified to write such a book! But I can see how easy it could have been to grab the money and run. Sadly, I understand that another (equally unqualified) author was offered it, and having seen the finished work, I’m sure I could have done a better job!
But I did say generally, and thankfully there are a few jobbing authors out there who still somehow do a good job.
I have a feeling it’s way too late in the day to change anything. VTTS seem to have been sticking with this “academy” idea for a long time so one assumes it’s all decided now. It would take a very long time to generate enough interest from enough people to encourage VTTS to look again at possible outcomes for XH558, but of course it will stop flying by the end of the year, at which stage VTTS will simply say that it’s too late to even think about any other options. I guess I’m just expressing my annoyance at the whole way in which the Vulcan’s future was decided without any consultation, and they way in which they portray the plans as being the best option for XH558 – whereas I think it’s fairly clear to see that it’s probably the worst option. As I’ve said before, I can’t help thinking that some of the VTTS admin people have perhaps pursued this plan in order to justify their futures, rather than XH558’s.
Was the Academy the ‘big news’ we were expecting at one point? I think I’d hoped it might be to announce a new project – like a Harrier maybe?
Are these just ill-informed sweeping statements
There’s no joy to be found in the prospect of XH558 being retired at Finningley. I could be completely selfish and enjoy the prospect of XH558 staying at my nearest airfield, but like many others I would rather see it go to a site where it can move freely and where the public can watch it freely. Likewise, I’d prefer it to go to a site where it is has a more secure long-term future, rather than being part of some ambitious scheme that may well fall far short of the claims that are being made. The disturbing aspect is that of the thousands of people who have paid for XH558’s survival, not one was consulted. I don’t have all the answers to every aspect of this story, but I do know that from all the possible options, retiring XH558 at Finningley is probably the worst outcome I could imagine.
As has been mentioned previously, once XH558 stops flying, all the florid tributes will end, all the “we love the delta lady” claptrap will fade into history, and XH558 will become just one of the dwindling number of surviving Vulcans. It will attract no interest at Finningley – why would it? Anyone who wants to see a Vulcan would be far more likely to go to an aviation Museum (Newark for example) where they can see a Vulcan that wears an operational paint scheme, and where they can see lots of other aircraft too. Who would want to drive to Doncaster to see just one aeroplane?
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I hope this isn’t going to descend into another flame war, but I have to agree with WH904: he’s not being negative, just stating the reality of the situation.
One POSITIVE might be that VTTS rethink their plan and place XH558 with a collection where she can (a) be exercised, (b) be looked after and (c) be accessible.
It was moved over to be near the 101st Airborne re-enactors. Sadly the other DC-4 is now being dismantled. Engines have already gone off on the back of a lorry.
I’ve seen the word ‘dismantled’ being used a few times regarding this aircraft. If so, where is it going to be reassembled, or should the word ‘scrapped’ be used instead?
Not bored by any chance?
I would second Matt Poole’s thoughts on warfare in the far east.
A few things that i always noted..
1. RAF Frontier warfare – RAF Operations in the North West Frontier Province in the 20s and 30s. while there area a couple of articles and two books that i can recall on top of my mind (Flying Blind and Never stop the engine while it is hot), there is no ‘detailed history’ out there on these operations.
2. Some obscure aircraft types. Vultee Vengeance – though PC Smith did a great job with the first one, there is the need for a second updated version with aircraft census etc ala Air Britain style
3. Winged Boot club in Burma – I recently came upon a couple of original war time reports on pilots shot down behind enemy lines but who made it back through the jungle to their lines after being shot down.. and this was just one squadron.. there must be dozens of such stories out there..
4. Personal Drum Beat.. while researching the Westland Wapiti, i found that not one book existed on it (thin profile publications and magazine articles do not count). I plugged that hole a bit .. but there is still an opportunity to do an RAF history of the Wop.
5. Westland Lysander in India – No published book out there.. that covers all the RAF Squadron ops (20,28,256 etc)..
Agreed on all those EXCEPT:
The A-B concept is OK in a few cases (notably Peter Amos’ superlative Miles books and also the Comet and Scimitar Files), but many of the ‘File’ series only give very brief squadron allocations and few (if any) dates etc.
I think any of the above single-type books would be really useful, but only (IMHO) if they contained detailed individual histories of each machine. In the case of the Vengeance, that would be easy to cover.
But overall, I find it is detail that is missing from many books: not enough technical detail in particular.
The difference between the Lightning and the F104G. The 104 WILL get you out of bed. They make quite a horrible noise!
Nooo! It’s a wonderful noise!
I do miss the Red Indians aerobatic team: 4 Starfighters and their ‘behind the crowd’ arrival took some beating.
Now there’s a plane that howls!
I won’t dismiss the F-35 yet, but having seen the Yak-141 etc, I doubt it will be much different, other than maybe being a bit more stable!
One blade out of three feathered?
I didn’t think that was likely.
It takes a big impact with something and a lot of internal prop damage! Not feathered – just graunched a lot.
Yes, it would go nicely with their shiny new repro Spitfire! 😀
Naughty!
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