Yes, as a nation we have had a decade (actually longer than that) of being dumbed down. There is a huge amount of truth in your comments. Spin and PR seem to take priority over real issues. Half truths and biased soundbites conceal the goals of our politicians.
The current media focus on some defence issues, including discussing future spending options, is marked by extremely biased articles where the writers don’t even bother to check their facts.
This cannot be a good thing.
Very true.
At the start of a new decade, we appear to live in interesting times (which makes me think of the Chinese curse).
The UK economy has been ruined by short termism and obsession with simple statistical measures, as has much else. Has the target culture in the NHS, or the Police, or the education system, really produced better results? For those involved with defence, short termism is everywhere. I cannot resist mentioning how absurd I think it is that the new carriers are being delayed so save a few quid in the immediate future but it will drive the overall build cost up considerably. There are numerous other examples of this type of policy making.
We have had a decade of presentation and no substance, dancing while the city burns. Will this year, or this decade, be any better?
The current conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan have led many in the media, and the public, and most worryingly politics, to conclude that future conflicts will be both land centric and against opponents without a credible navy or air force. Is this not a case of preparing the fight the last (ie current) war?
After Afghanistan, just about every other nation has a coastline. After Saddam era Iraq, other nations will not have had economics sanctions and arms blockade, and no fly zones for over ten years. We ignore that at our peril. Have a look at Iraq’s Eastern neighbour. Over a thousand miles of coast (not including the Caspian), a large air force, and a navy that includes submarines of various sorts. The Revolutionary Guards also have naval and air forces. Large sums have been spent on sophisticated SAMs and modern fighter aircraft. Likewise North Korea is also a nation that is neither land locked nor has it been subjects of sanctions preventing it from obtaining arms.
The public seem to have concluded that there is no need for frigates, submarines, fighter aircraft, AWACS, to name but a few – ignoring the fact that all of these have been busy. I believe/fear that the next few years will show how dangerous these assumptions are.
Even without an enemy with advanced weapons, the assumption that everything will always be land centric may get us into trouble. There has been a lot written lately of insurgency in Somalia, a coastal state. Across the Gulf of Aden, Yemen also has an Islamist insurgency. Both of these would introduce new maritime aspects to the fight against terror. If they happened simultaneously it would cause real problems for shipping – including that carrying supplies for NATO forces in Afghanistan.
Also we forget certain potential terrorist threats at our peril. A terrorist flying an aircraft full of explosives is not a MiG, but personally I’d prefer a fighter to shoot him down, or (at sea) a ship with an appropriate missile system. What if terrorists acquired not only SAMs and anti armour weapons, but anti ship missile, as Hezbollah has already demonstrated. What about a dhow packed with explosives heading towards the Iraqi oil platforms or a ship full of NATO supplies, heading for a Pakistani port? The way to deal with this sort of attack is for an escorting warship to sink it with gunfire (or Sea Skua), or an on call strike aircraft to take it out.
In a few months time we will be having a general election. Does the thought of new Government excite me? Well, no, to be honest. I fear that a short sighted defence review will follow – analogous to Nott’s 1981 defence review.
Public support for the Armed Forces is higher than it has been for years. Is public understanding also increasing? I don’t think so. Does the public understand that the RN and RAF are fighting services in their own right, and need to be, and not simply support arms for the Army?
Originally writtten here.
Let’s assume that the US will not be fighting either Russia or China.
If we accept that idea, we can think about more likely opponents (Iran, North Korea, etc). Whilst these nations do have maritime attack capabilities and could sink ships in a naval task group, I doubt that they could saturate and overcome the layers of defence represented by the carrier’s fighters, the other ships in the task group, and finally the carrier’s own defences (Sea Sparrow, CIWS).
Let’s hope that the next review doesnt involve cutbacks which magically match the cuts asked for by the Treasury.
At least we’ll being getting some new Chinooks just in time to withdraw from Afghanistan.
Can we have this please?
If only the force levels and procurements of the SDR in 1998 had been maintained….
Five RAF air defence sqaudrons
21 Nimrod MRA4
40 Infantry battalions
32 frigates/destroyers
10 SSNs
Sea Harrier kept in service until CVF/JCA arrives (very tempting to slip in this link to the PPRuNe Sea Jet thread*)
CVF in service in 2012 (and 2015)Bah…
* Also mentions frigate/destroyer and submarine cuts.
After all, the world doesn’t seem to have got any less dangerous…..
This is very worrying – we’re not exactly overborne with them,are we?
I thought the difference between GR7 and GR9 was mostly software?
Hmm. Surely the best way to deny them publicity is to deter attacks with strong defences? Ignoring the threat means two things, firstly that people get killed needlesly, and secondly that the terrorists gain a huge amount of publicity when they atack.
The price of peace is eternal vigilence.
Maybe because it’s a current capability?
There’s no reason why Wildcat shouldn’t be an export sucess.
What size of ships are they intending to operate it from?
Making a helicopter suitable for the shipboard environment isn’t just a case of making sure the rotors, tail, and so on fold, but also a case of estabilshing acceptable limits for operation in terms of pitch and roll, and achieving EMC compatibility in the complex electromagnetic environment uf a naval vessel.
I really ought to apolegise for focusing to much on the Falklands and the Royal Navy. There are lots of other good military aviation books, perhaps someone can make a suggestion for rmutt?
You might be interested in some book related PPRuNe threads:
Additionally try the Books and other Literature forum on ARRSE.
Yes. You can find it here.
One way of saving money would be to restore the new carriers to their intended delivery dates – it takes a politician to make something arrive later AND cost more.
The whole review was smoke and mirrors. The REAL defence review will be after the next election – perhaps a year afterwards?
Now what was that about sleight of hand?
More pictures of the dummy deck Sea Harriers here and here.
I remember when the mighty Sea Harrier was still in service. If only they had kept the Status Quo…
It all went Jam Side Down for the RN!