We know that Mr Q, but does Joe Public understand that?
Future carriers, such as the UK’s CVF or the US Gerald R. Ford Class, will benefit not only from the increased capability of modern weapons and sensors, and network connectivity, but also from the increased knowledge of hostile weapon effects, gained from experiments such as the sinking of USS America in a live fire exercise. The results are classified but I understand they show that a ship that large is not easy to sink, in addition to demonstrating the damage done by different kinds of weapons.
Also, computer models allow for vulnerability to be predicted by designers – see this case study by Qinetiq.
Any chance of getting back to the topic – the forthcoming UK defence review?
I think the review will be at least a year after the election – mid 2011 perhaps?
Erm, yes. You are right. Still need altitude though.
One very good book is One Hundred Days by Admiral Sir John “Sandy” Woodward, the Falklands task group commander. I’ve got the first edition although it has been revised and added to more recently. It shows aviation in the context of a task force at war, both the task force’s own Sea Harriers (and later RAF Harrier GR3s) and helicopters, but also long range sorties by land based Nimrods (and the problems of incorrect analysis by the RAF), as well as seeing Argentine airpower from the recieving end.
Several books were written about ships that did not survive the conflict, Captain David Hart-Dyke’s Four Weeks In May about HMS Coventry‘s war and her loss is one. A BBC2 docudrama was based on it. I found the book not to be the easiest of things to read, the descriptions of the brave acts by his sailors to rescue shipmates from smoke and fire filled spaces, or to help men struggling in the water, may cause a feeling of wetness in the eyes.
Going even more off topic….
During the Falklands conflict there was an attempt by some elements within Argentine Naval Intelligence to use ex terrorist divers to attack British ships in Gibraltar harbour, as described here.
A film was made about the operation. Has anyone seen it?
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I think the issue isn’t range in a horizontal sense, but altitude. Speed too. To engage these sort of missiles you need to enage them high up and extremely fast.
The potential of Sea Viper and the Type 45 in a theatre ballistic missile defence role was discussed here: Evolution of PAAMS/Sea Viper (PPRuNe).
Of course the delayed (first ship entering service in 2009 instead of 2009) Type 45 Destroyer (now a class of six instead of twelve as originally intended) was meant to make up for the shortfall in the RN’s defences against air/missile attack caused be the early retirement of the Sea Harrier (as discussed here on PPRuNe). The new carriers weren’t meant to be delayed, either! Has enough (or indeed any) money been put into the T45’s ABM capabilities?
I believe an ABM missile would not have a warhead as such, but would rely on kinetic energy (hence the need for speed) to destroy the target.
More on the Chile Sea King incident here.
I’d almost forgotten about the book by Richard Hutchings. He was a Royal Marines Officer who was selected to fly, and was a Pilot in one of the Jungly (Commando Sea King) squadrons. A quick search of my books shows he was the pilot of the Sea King that mysteriously(?) made a forced landing in Chile.
I was going to suggest Pheonix Squadron by Rowland White (author of Vulcan 607). It’s the tale of the then secret mission of HMS Ark Royal and her escorts and air group to prevent Belize getting invaded in 1972.
Back on a helicopter theme, there are various books by fliers of Apaches and Chinnoks and Armed Action by James Newton (from 847 NAS – flying green Lynx in support of the Royal Marines) but otherwise not many helicopter tales. Not sure why?
One exception is Weapons Free by Richard Boswell, about his experiences as a RN Lynx Pilot during the (first) Gulf War, including the build up and actual attacks against Iraqi missile boats. Now this aspect of aviation, helicopters flying from naval ships (other than carriers etc) really hasn’t been covered in many books, although I am sure there are some incredible tales from the Navies of the World, in both war and peace.
Book recommendations about 80s/90s British naval aviation that is….
Any other recommendations?
This seems to be a pointless argument… 🙁
I’ve been reading The Secret War For The Falklands by Nigel West. To be honest I though it wasn’t the best of books and think he missed several key points, but it did confirm my belief that the major problem in responding to a developing crisis is not technical, nor personnel issues, but getting timely intelligence and it being acted uopn by the politicians.
You still haven’t answered:
a)how you’ll find a carrier group that is EMCON slient without being detected yourself
b)how you’ll find the carrier within that group
c)how you take out the Hawkeye and similar without giving the game away
I’m having trouble getting my head around your concept.