Robbing peter to pay paul…….
“I think this forum, and perhaps a couple of others, are being far too protective of Andy Hill”
I think that if anything is being protected, it is the right to be innocent until proven guilty.
Picking up from what Malcolm has said, Roman numerals were also used in the construction of timber barns, again easy to mark with a chisel; one would have thought that the same joint recognition system would have been used in shipbuilding, and as much of the terminology from that industry was carried over to the A/C manufacture, perhaps its was just a hangover from days gone by.
Richard 3, Edward 7, George 6, terminator 4…….
I wasn’t “laid down” as a transportable display airframe, it was originally built to be as exact a recreation of that made by Supermarine; don’t get too hung up about how the wings fix on, or their composition or whether there is an engine or not, (it was always intended for it to have an engine), indeed the owner has an engine, and that could be retro fitted.
Think more along the lines that over a 28 year build priorities change, I believe that at one point it was going on display in a museum, and the builder had the original wing booms to complete the wings correctly but time passes and things change.
If you subscribe to the view that it is a replica unless it was made by Supermarine, then you must take the same view of all those flying A/C that have either been extensively rebuilt or else come back from the dead.
The sensitivity issue is down to the mockups, lash ups, and FSM’s which are all referred to as replicas, even though technically they aren’t replicas at all, at best the better ones are facimiles, a true replica would be exact in every detail; blame the press they can’t tell a jet from a glider!
If you hadn’t seen the A/C disassembled and know that “the real aeroplane” is still extant in Italy, how would you know it wasn’t real ; on a recent film set the lead actor (yes I know not a bona fide expert) was asked to pick the “replica” out from the “real ones” to the great annoyance of the owner he picked a flyer as the replica!
“A toy aeroplane is something you wind up and it rolls along the floor; a model aeroplane is completely different”.
Of course it matters; we are all here to learn aren’t we? the Whirlwind project will no doubt face the same dilemma as we all have, where to stay 100% accurate will cost 1000 times more (not joking) than a slight departure, at that point it’s a trade off; stay true and run out of time/money, or finish it .
Beermat, when you say main spar do you mean the wing or the firewall section? this reproduction has original stub spars (carry through spars) and rear spar attachments, so you could remove the short wings (out as far as rib 5) and replace with full length wings, or indeed folding wings; I think terry realised (somewhere around year 24) that if compromises in the wing design were not made, he would never finish it!
Edit, just to add that whilst no one can see the structure buried in the wings, that is also true of the fuselage which is accurate, and even the elevators and the rudder are connected with the correct wires etc; my understanding is the wings just needed to be finished for sanity’s sake!
Lets be fair they are all reproductions, the devil is in the detail, and bank balance.
Let’s also remember that the BAPC have given some of the fibreglass replica’s a historic status, having achieved nothing more than being used as set dressing in a film; this reproduction (above comments noted) apart from having huge amounts of original material like for e.g complete set of wing skins from MH434 (the first time around) all original engine cowlings, undercarriage and wheels (all round) windscreen and glass and virtually everything in the cockpit including original wiring (except for the two instruments he has had stolen recently)
Yes unfortunately it’s Terry Arlows Spitfire replica;it probably has more genuine supermarine parts than most of the “real ones” that is a terrible shame.
I have been a reader of this thread for many years but never felt the need to join until now.
I’ve spent many years visiting the RAF museum from 1979 onwards, for me one of the best parts was the BoB hall. I would dearly love to speak with the cretin who thought closing it was a good idea! Totally dispicable!
Is any are interested my name refers to the Wellington from 148 squadron that my uncle lost his life in, Bill Black in 1941.
Hi there and welcome to the forum; (as a contributor) if you have any information of the above A/C you can start a separate thread, indeed if you require information that might help also.
Yes the woods are full of ww2 era tyres, but also Hanningfield metals had no disposal policy for tyres, some found themselves the other side of the fence; completely by accident of course!
I seem to remember about £30k quoted by GB replicas; that’s a few years ago it’s any ones guess if they’ve gone up or down.
I know a chap who knows him, and he might be able to haggle a discount, but you need a starting price to work back from. (other replicas are also available)
They could make reporting the sellers easier; when I joined in 2003 it felt much more like you were part of something mainly honourable, not now though and not for sometime.
I’m sure he did it for our own good; could you do a link, as I would like to have a read.
The one that got away.