Facebook isn’t the answer, (it probably isn’t even the question) so many of these groups are started by attention seeking individuals, with a poor understanding of the subject, and are like wise joined by similar people; I had a brief flirtation with a $pitfire group, I lasted maybe two weeks, and left shortly before the whole group imploded, whilst discussing the merits of one of the female contributors @rse! they are poorly regulated, and bad language is unrestricted, albeit removable by the groups admin (they aren’t always available).
What it does have going for it is the “like” button, which lets the contributor know that someone out there is vaguely interested in what has been posted; you don’t have to think of something witty, or intelligent to say, just like it; on a forum such as this you may have over a thousand views and just a couple of replies; it would be nice to actually know whether what you have posted is of interest, enough maybe to contribute again.
David, exactly; they could do no worse than a more regularily updated version of wrecks and relics, afterall Ken Ellis was aware that said airframe was in my possession.
Clearly not an MOD disposal, but I think a valid illustration as to how a rare airframe can slip through the net; at the time I wasn’t a member of this forum, and indeed knew less people in this sector of the preservation movement in general; I didn’t particularily want the B2, or have an actual plan for it, but it did seem a real shame to lose it, I even located what I believe to be the original engine for the airframe, although the “owner” wasn’t very approachable on that subject!
That’ll be why I had to drop everything, and drive into the wilds of Cambridgeshire one Saturday about 8 years ago, to collect the Blackburn B2 fuselage that had passed into the hands of a scrap man (including all of the paperwork and an oil painting!) that was scheduled for the chop as the property had been sold, and the new owners wanted shot of it, (and all the old furniture piled on top of it)
The scrap man (who obviously had a heart) had tried for weeks to place it, but no one was interested; no one, that is that he knew, I dare say dozens would have taken it on if they were aware of the airframe and it’s plight; isn’t that where the “co- ordinating and enabling” comes into play?
“This aim will be pursued by the Council as a representing, co-ordinating and enabling body”.
Or, “we don’t actually do anything”, to use Google translate…….
As with all things the key to success is to find the right individual, or group for a specific task, that almost certainly means casting the net wider than the BAPC does.
Malcolm, you are of course right about the need to protect the individual, but regardless of the small print I personally haven’t seen any action from the BAPC.
There is a case to be made for bringing the plight of various airframes to a wider audience, just circulating the details around existing museums, isn’t enough; everyone has to start somewhere, many of these at risk A/C have been saved (or else might have been) by someone outside the loop.
Typical of so many organisations; 1 – 3.9 is their mission statement, 4 – 15, terms and conditions……..
Merlin Pete, shall be your guide Ross, as I believe he was involved in just such a conversion.
Looking at it with a bit more magnification, you might be right, basically it’s a pre crossflow, with inlets and exhaust on the same side; even less likely that it achieved 1000hp in ’37, especially when the Merlin was struggling to achieve that.
Do those inlets really go all the way to the front, angle up, turn round and go back, and it still produces 1000hp?
Hope it wasn’t windy!
Ok thanks for the clarification Mark, I would say that in the picture I posted there appears to be two windows, one just behind her above the engine nacelle.
I would have thought given that a larger window would have compromised the longeron /stringe,r that it would have been reinforced essentially by adding a window “frame” and that the subsequent plating over wouldn’t be an attempt to reinstate structural integrity, but purely something to keep the light out, bearing in mind it was (in the great scheme of things) only a relatively short flight.
But why would you make the window bigger just to cover it over again?
Probably best to read my previous post, where I made the suggestion that the patch, (the original patch) would have been riveted onto the airframe without the need of stiffeners, and that looking at the size of the original patch and the size of the real window, in my view would have probably been affixed directly to the skin; at no time do I refer to the mangled piece of wreckage that may or may not have been recovered by tiggar, but (in my non expert view) was never (that’s never, not probably never) attached to the Electra.
Probably?
It would appear there is not one chance in a billion that that sheet of post-1943 aluminum was ever riveted to Earhart’s aircraft. ‘Probably’ doesn’t even enter into it.
Moggy
I’m having a bit of a problem reconciling the size of the rear window in the graphics (that was plated over), with the actual size of the rearmost window in the attached photo; looking at the size of the patch it would appear to be somewhat larger than the aperture it covers, in which case it is probably riveted directly onto the skin .