Someone email the guy who runs airwar.ru, it’s embarassing 🙂
It’s not the first time; but anyway, does anyone know which airfield it’ll be going to?
Aren´t the M1/M2 a better aircraft than the SMT? Or am I wrong here?
Yes, they’re better, in that the airframe is more advanced, they carry more fuel in less space (I don’t know if the SMT has total more fuel than the M1/M2, but the M1/M2 seriously increase the range of the original MiG-29) and they have two extra hardpoints. Both use Zhuk-M/ME (unless it’s the VVS upgrade, which means N019M1 radar upgrade).
If you look at the price tag, is it possible to get 50 M1/M2´s for that price?
Probably not.
I mean aren´t the M1/M2´s new built aircraft or are they also just an upgrade of undelivered MIG´s?
Yup, new build.
I am a little bit dissapointed the the SMT´s are not newly built aircraft because if they were the Russians could not rip Algeria off as they have done with the previously received machines ie MIG-21, 23 25´s etc.
The upgraded Su-24MKs were a bargain, judging from reports. Anyway, the MiG-29SMTs are basically newly built, in that they’re from aircraft for the VVS that have been undelivered and have just been sitting at the factory. There’s no time on their airframes and they’ve been well looked after (being the source of MiGs survival for the past decade …)
These are 2004 pictures, of the latest prototype built, also called the first aircraft of serial standard. Serial production per se hasn’t started, but like the Mi-28N and Ka-52, the aircraft are in their serial configuration.
Never mind, I found out! 🙂
I’ve got loads of Mi-28N new prototype photos now ….
How do you get these pictures, Shvkal?
I noticed that from ehre
Just type in Mi-28N, you’ll see all the pictures of the recent second-flight prototype, and some pictures of it being built.
But you can’t get the big ones. I think. I’d *love* to see up-close pictures of the Mi-28N 2nd prototype.
[QUOTE=dirtyharry]Vympel:
Newly built?
No, upgrades of existing Mi-24Ps. Mi-28Ns won’t be in service in large numbers till the end of the decade (50 planned by 2010, with a total requirement for 300).
Why didnt they build more Mi28s to take over the obsoleted Mi24s?
The Mi-28N is still in testing; the second prototype flew for the first time a few weeks ago.
In the pic, the Mi24s has external fuel tanks to extend her ranges,but fire power was reduced,only 40 80mmrockets.
I assume that they might have flown a long way to get where the picture was taken. In a regular combat mission, they’d be armed like the Mi-28- 16 Ataka ATGMs and two B-8V-20A rocket pods.
Please show me some Mi28 photo, that was a very elegance helo!
Have you seen the picture of the new prototype? google posted it.
Thanks. Did the Mi28 fought in the Chenchenya war?
Regards
No, but Ka-50 has.
Yes, but not often. Precision was not required for most of the work. They also used their precision artillery rounds (e.g. Smelchak 240mm guided round for the 2S4 Tyulpan self-propelled mortar against Afghan stronghold).
Wow, they’re awesome!
Newly delivered batch, or the one reported a few months ago?
Any other nice pictures from there?
Ka-60: No, but the first serial production example was shown at MAKS 03 (not to be confused with the prototype that’s been flying since 1997).
An-140: why? It’s Ukranian, there’s no Russian requirement for it. Russia’s transport fleet is focused in the future on the Il-76MF (then Il-106), Il-112V (to replace An-26 etc) and Il-214 (India’s “MTA”) to replace the An-12.
That’s the MKI cockpit.
I actually haven’t seen the cockpit of the Su-30MK. It’s probably the same as that of the Su-35UB; or MiG-29M2.
Congress delayed this, cut back on that. That’s whay costs became so high. The ONLY way to save money is to increase production.
Hopefuly, it will be a success, and more will be ordered.
It’s the Pentagon that goes in front of Congress and blatantly lies (“low-balling”) about how much these aircraft are going to cost, with hugely unrealistic figures for everything from how many aircraft they’re buying to how easy they’ll be to maintain (ask yourself- ever heard of a US military program that isn’t touted as “low cost, high capability, high affordability, low maintenance, effective dominance for the warfighter wank wank wank wank wank”)- and when it doesn’t work out that way and Congress finds out how much the thing is *really* going to cost, that’s when Congress starts cutting, because there’s only so much money to go around. Even if they wanted to cancel it, it’s *very* hard, because now that Congress has funded it for x period of time before they find out the real cost, the main contractor has been spreading out subcontracts all over the country, meaning lost jobs if the program is killed.
Seriously, the military has noone to blame but itself.
I also don’t see how increasing production “saves money”, that’s just being disingenuous- all it does is make individual airframes cheaper- that’s not the same. Those development costs have been sunk and paid, they have to come out of somewhere. Any extra planes bought will cost extra- at a reduced price from the initial batch, perhaps, but you’re still not saving money.
See “The Defense Budget Time Bomb” for the long term implications of this foolish practice (and others).
Yeah, that’s how Indonesia paid, but that wasn’t a freebie. They got goods/cash for it.
where does Algeria get the funds to purchase nearly $2 billion worth of arms equipment? I was under the impression that their nation was still mired in a costly civil war?
They have something valuable. Can’t remember what. Russia ain’t giving out freebies, that’s for sure …
Wow, thread resurrection. My opinions have changed over the past 2 years. At this point, I think ~300 or so F-22s is worth it.