Originally posted by google
there is, but I’m not going to post it.

Boo! *hiss* 😀

(could you describe it?)

Re: Re: F-15C Golden Eagle

Originally posted by seahawk
Putting bombs on the already tired airframes, who are not strengthend like the E modell seems like a very bad idea to me.

It depends entirely on the warload; of course the F-15C will never carry as many weapons as the F-15E.

I posted about this from Russian aviation media sources.

No picture of the new aircraft?

The second phase would begin after airborne forces captured Sungshan Airport. With a secure landing strip, China would fly in elements of its 14 divisions of “rapid reaction” troops using Ilyushin Il-76, Shaanxi Y-8, Antonov 26, and Xian Y-7 troop transports, with air support from China’s 1,000 bombers and fighters. China’s 10 Il-76 transports can carry 130 troops apiece, though this limitation could be overcome by commandeering aircraft belonging to commercial courier and passenger airlines. China has about 500 Boeings and Airbuses from which to choose. Some of China’s heavy-lift transports would bring in BMD-2 Airborne Combat Vehicles and an assortment of armored vehicles. These air-lifted troops would spread throughout the city, securing bridges and key intersections. In addition, China has 200 transport helicopters capable of carrying commandos to Taiwan.

Since when does China have BMDs?

Except for special forces and the marines, it is unlikely that the rest of Taiwan’s infantry brigades scattered across the island would do much. As the saying goes, “It’s not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog that matters.” Taiwan’s military is rife with lethargic and ineffectual troops just begging for their 20-month tour of duty to end so they can go back to their girlfriends and jobs. Many call Taiwan’s youth, including its young soldiers, the “strawberry generation” because they are soft and spoiled by the good life. US military officials visiting Taiwan often complain that the military’s boot camps are too lax. The military appears more afraid of angering the parents of the conscripts than confronting a Chinese invasion, say visiting US soldiers. One politically correct legislator recently complained to Asia Times Online, “Taiwan has to do something about violence in the military.” The correspondent reminded him, “The military is a violent institution.” The conversation was over; the lesson lost.

Infantry brigades scattered across the island? And a buildup by Chinese forces is just going to go un-noticed by Taiwan and the US, or do they think they can just muster an airborne assault force unnoticed?

Identity crisis within Taiwan’s military
Taiwan’s military also faces an identity crisis. The idea that Taiwan is part of China still resonates strongly within the military. For example, unit patches worn by soldiers often bear the outline of China, not Taiwan. The 6th Army, 8th Army, 46th Division, and Marine Corps have the image of China on their patches. The 117th Infantry Brigade has an eagle landing on mainland China. The 34th Division, 157th Infantry Brigade, and 200th Motorized Brigade display the Great Wall of China. None of the unit patches or emblems bears the image of Taiwan. In fact, visitors to military bases see no evidence whatsoever that they are located in Taiwan. China is the central theme of the whole military experience for Taiwan’s conscripts. Even the names of naval vessels have Chinese themes.

*groannnnnnnnnnnnn*

This is such a useless paragraph, whoever wrote it should be dragged out into the street, and shot.

Taiwan’s navy would have little to do in this war scenario, except sink like rocks. A few would shoot down a small number of the Chinese planes heading to Taiwan, but most would be taken out of action by China’s numerous anti-ship missiles. Of particular annoyance is the nasty Russian-made Sunburn anti-ship missile (ASM). Three times as fast as the US Harpoon ASM, the Sunburn does not slam into the side of a ship like the Harpoon; instead, as it nears the target it rises above it and then dives straight down through the deck of the ship. The speed and angle of the attack make it nearly impossible to shoot down or to disable by electronic countermeasures or jamming.

Uh huh- two Sovremenny destroyers are going to sink the entire Taiwanese Navy. “Numerous” my arse. Maybe if the writer were talking about other anti-ship missiles as well we wouldn’t think him so ignorant …

Taiwan’s air force would be kept busy trying to repair runway damage caused by the estimated 500 short-range ballistic missiles deployed along China’s coast and targeting Taiwan. China’s Second Artillery Corps would launch Dong Feng 11 (M-11) and DF-15 (M-9) in multiple-wave and multi-directional saturation attacks on air bases, port facilities and other strategic locations. Only a small number would be intercepted by Taiwan’s three Patriot (PAC-2 Plus) anti-missile defense batteries located around Taipei. The PACs will only be able to hit missiles coming down on northern Taiwan. The south is totally unprotected from ballistic missiles. China’s special forces, infiltrated to Taiwan, would take a keen interest in locating and destroying the PACs. Everyone knows where they are, so it would not be too difficult.

We’re assuming runway-killer accuracy from old pieces of sh@t like the M-11 and M-9 … why?

*Everyone* knows where the Patriots are? All the time? As I understand it, they do actually have wheels.

Even if Taiwan could dispatch some of its fighter aircraft, China would meet them in the air with some of its brand new Sukhoi 30, Su-27 and JH-7 fighters. China took delivery of 154 Russian Su-27 fighters earlier this year. By the end of 2004 China is expected to have 273 advanced Sukhoi fighters. Those fighter pilots able to take off before their bases were destroyed would give the Chinese a hell of a fight, but once their aircraft began to run out of fuel they would have no where to land. Many would simply fight to the bitter end and eject if they cared enough.

Leaving aside the “154 fighters earlier this year” wierd comment, this is the only remotely plausble part of the article.

In the meantime, China’s 100 Xian H-6 (Tu-16) Badger and approximately 500 Harbin H-5 (Il-28) Beagle bombers would clean up those areas not destroyed by the initial missile attack. Of particular concern to the Chinese are two “secret” air bases located within hollowed-out mountains in eastern Taiwan, Chiashan in Hualien and Chihhang in Taitung. These would probably survive the initial missile strike, and require a little more effort from China’s air force.

😀

Uh huh, copies of 1950 Soviet bombers are going to survive in a Taiwanese air defense environment, because the Supermen(TM) of the Chinese Special Forces are going to destroy all the air defenses! Of course!

With the new government inaugurated, the new president would declare an end to all hostilities with China. During a nationwide televised speech, the new president would order all military forces to stand down. With the pro-China sentiments running high in the Taiwan military, it is likely that most would grudgingly accept the new president.

Pro-China sentiments running high? Is that because of those evil unit patches?

The new president would contact the US Department of Defense via the new hotline installed by the US government in 2002 and warn against any US military actions taken on behalf of Taiwan or against Taiwan’s new guests, the Chinese military. Using the hotline would demonstrate to the US that the new president and his people have access to the codes necessary to transmit an encrypted message, and also validate that the new president has the authority to access the hotline within Taiwan’s Ministry of National Defense – a demonstration of power and control.

I doubt the US would give a toss about what some puppet had to say, and of course, the article is blithely assuming the hotline will still be functioning.

That’s all, really. Even for “speculation”, it’s nonsense. No military commander would bet success on such rubbish.