Originally posted by seahawk
Did the MIG-31 fly in 1975. :confused:
Yes, it was in testing. That’s what allowed the defector, Belenko, to tell the Americans about the new Super-Foxbat that was coming.
There were stories of the R-33 being a ripoff of the AIM-54 with the Phoenix to Russia coming by the way of Iran.
Not true- the R-33 was in development before the Soviet Union got a look at Phoenix.
I doubt the Amos ever actually worked unlike the Phoenix 😀
In 1977 US satellites observed the destruction of a low-flying RPV by a MiG-31 flying at 20,000 feet, and later, the destruction of an RPV flying at 70,000 feet when the MiG was at 55,000 feet. I’d say that’s proof of the missile working. Considering that the AIM-54 doesn’t exactly have a rock-hard combat record and the evidence of it’s combat use with Iran (only place it’s alleged to have scored a kill, btw- in USN hands it’s missed, against Iraqi MiG-25s) is exceedingly vague at best, if you’re going to doubt R-33 worked, you might as well doubt Phoenix worked. R-33, to its credit, also didn’t have the whole scandal that followed the AIM-54C around.
The AWG-9 was marvellous. By comparison, the n007 Zaslon of the MiG-31 weighs twice that of AWG-9 (i.e. Zaslon weighs 1,000 kilos) and didn’t have as much processing power (10 track, engage 4- two above and two below, while the AWG-9 was track 24, engage 6); though it does have the advantage of PESA as well as superior elevation and azimuth look angle. The MiG-31M fixed the processing power issue; the Zaslon-AM of the MiG-31BM with the Baguet processors achieves the same thing; both can match AWG-9.
Long range missiles are important, not only because of the opportunity (of whatever percentage) to kill an enemy before he gets to fire, but also because you’re dictating the terms of a fight and getting your enemy to react to you, expending precious energy in dodging the missile, and keeping his concentration diverted from firing at you. By forcing the enemy to react to you, you’ve got the upper hand before the battle is joined with more medium ranged misisles.
This wasn’t the purpose of the AIM-54, whoose purpose was killing BACKFIREs and their KENTs (and on the Soviet side, the MiG-31/R-33 was designed for much the same thing, killing B-52s/B-1s and their low-flying ALCMs) but it certainly is part of hte reasoning of other long range missiles, like the R-27ER/ET, the R-77M-PD, the Meteor, and perhaps the AIM-120C-8.
Originally posted by SOC
Pod-mounted maybe? Or perhaps we’ll see the return of the IRST ball on production FULLBACKs?
That wouldn’t be very useful for bombing- unless it was on the underside. Perhaps something like the Su-24s Kaira-24 sight?
“A Leninets V004 [sic, B004 in English] phased-array multimode radar in the broad “platypus bill” nose, the radar providing terrain-following capabilities as well as a number of other combat modes. It is complemented by a Platan optoelectronic / laser targeting system, with the offensive systems are integrated by an Sh-141 weapons control system.”
Found this on http://www.vectorsite.net/avsu272.html
So, where is the Platan targeting system? It’s certainly not on the airframe- or at least, it’s not on the first 7 prototypes …
Originally posted by PRC4eva
They probably want a single engine aircraft. although it’s not on the list.. I think they should strongly consider the FC-1, it already uses the same engine (but just one of it) as their existing MiG-29 and will also use a Russian radar, alliwing it compatability to existing Russian weapons it uses. If India broke the ice and did that, I bet you that relations between the two countries will be alot better!
It would also make them susceptible to Chinese political pressure by denial of spare parts and support. Never gonna happen, not in a hundred years.
I’d go MiG-29M1/M2. Considering it’s virtually the same aircraft as the MiG-29K/KUB they’re already getting, they’ll be saving money.
That’s what I originally thought, but the quote makes it sound like he’s comparing whatever the Su-34 did to that.
Originally posted by huitong
The one on the top is a French Super Frelon, not belong to China.
Yeah it didn’t have the grainy, scanned look of most photos from China.
Why the red covers over the nose? I thought they only did that for missiles with visible optic arrays and aircraft IRSTs.
Originally posted by GarryB
Are you sure? I have seen most of the Discovery channel programs on Helos… I am the eternal optimist… I have yet to see any helo that wasn’t American or a lynx, a Seaking, or a Bo-105… well there might have been a glimpse of a Gazelle or two.Even when they examined the different types of helo, coaxial design was not mentioned. The Chinook was mentioned as the “most efficient lifter” but no mention was made of the most powerful lifter or the most produced.
Perhaps mow that the commanche has bit the big one they might mention the Mi-28N, or the Ka-52, or even the Ka-60… but I won’t hold my breath…
Pretty sure- I distinctly remember watching cool footage of the Ka-50 doing a pop up from behind a bridge (in an urban environment). Details were sketchy and they commented on how they didn’t know much about it.
John Pike left FAS to form GS.org; which IMO is a better site. It’s strongsuit is American matters, obviously.
I wonder why he responded to me, if so many have probably been sent before. Curious. I won’t want to press the issue too much, though. It could get annoying having that many errors pointed out- better to do it slowly.
Another complete waste of time. Goddman this forum has deteriorated since the good ol days.
The PAC-3 version has serious problems. Whether it’s myriad bugs (including hundreds of ghost tracks etc as well as shooting down friendly aircraft) have simply carried over from the PAC-1 and PAC-2 is unknown however.
Not exactly fair GarryB, the Discovery Channel did indeed do a piece of the Ka-50; but admittedly it was after 3/4 of a 1 hr show was devoted to masturbatory nonsense about Western types.