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  • in reply to: General Discussion #263619
    SolarWarden
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    …fly a ‘UFO’ right in front of a military C-5 transport or a 747 cargo aircraft?

    You see, one of the reasons that I’m such a sceptic is the apparent inconsistency of the alien ‘plan’ to either hide themselves from, or show themselves to, mankind.

    For example the Japanese 747 cargo aircraft over Alaska; great importance is placed on the UFO showing-up on the weather-radar of the 747 but what about the radars that NASA use to track space-debris? Why didn’t the UFO show up on those? And if the UFO can use ‘stealth’ to avoid the NASA space-debris radars why does the UFO not use these to avoid the 747 weather-radar; in fact, why risk being seen at all by the 747 crew?

    So the Japanese crew made up the story? The audio and radar tapes fake? What John Callahan said was just hallucination?

    Who says it didn’t show up on Nasa radar? Nasa is part of the government. The only reason why we have the radar tapes was because of John Callahan.
    He kept the copies. And how do we know that UFO that followed the Japanese plane originated from space?

    SolarWarden
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    …fly a ‘UFO’ right in front of a military C-5 transport or a 747 cargo aircraft?

    You see, one of the reasons that I’m such a sceptic is the apparent inconsistency of the alien ‘plan’ to either hide themselves from, or show themselves to, mankind.

    For example the Japanese 747 cargo aircraft over Alaska; great importance is placed on the UFO showing-up on the weather-radar of the 747 but what about the radars that NASA use to track space-debris? Why didn’t the UFO show up on those? And if the UFO can use ‘stealth’ to avoid the NASA space-debris radars why does the UFO not use these to avoid the 747 weather-radar; in fact, why risk being seen at all by the 747 crew?

    So the Japanese crew made up the story? The audio and radar tapes fake? What John Callahan said was just hallucination?

    Who says it didn’t show up on Nasa radar? Nasa is part of the government. The only reason why we have the radar tapes was because of John Callahan.
    He kept the copies. And how do we know that UFO that followed the Japanese plane originated from space?

    in reply to: General Discussion #263985
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    Oh I believe in the likelihood of extra-terrestrial beings of some sort (probably machines as Sir Martin Rees suggests) but my enquiring mind is still awaiting evidence that they have visited our planet.

    Unless they want their existence to be known and land on the white house lawn, it aint happening. Governments are not going to disclose their existence either.

    SolarWarden
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    Oh I believe in the likelihood of extra-terrestrial beings of some sort (probably machines as Sir Martin Rees suggests) but my enquiring mind is still awaiting evidence that they have visited our planet.

    Unless they want their existence to be known and land on the white house lawn, it aint happening. Governments are not going to disclose their existence either.

    in reply to: General Discussion #264031
    SolarWarden
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    Let us remember the first post in this thread; this concerned the claim that a very earthbound President of the United States had knowledge of a 300-seat ‘space shuttle’ and talk of fleets of NASA ‘anti-gravity spacecraft’! If human beings do have this technology then why the need for alien visitations at all?

    One thing that does bear examination I think is what the witnesses are actually seeing. The design of the UFO that they see tends to conform to the fictional UFO in popular culture. Roughly speaking in 1940-1960 it was all metallic ‘flying saucers’ discs and balls, in 1960-1990 (and especially after ‘Close Encounters of the Third Kind’ was released) bright lights in the night sky became the order of the day (coincidentally, of course, when many more commercial airliners and helicopters started carrying high-intensity lights) and post-1990 the mysterious ‘black triangles’ start to become more common (about the same time that the F-117 and B-2 stealth aircraft enter the public consciousness)!

    Can this all be coincidence?

    Reports of flying triangles go back to the late 1800’s

    The earliest known reports of these unusual triangles can be traced to the Dutch East Indies in the late 1890s, around 10 years prior to the Wright Brothers’ first powered airplane flight in 1903. Triangle UFOs were also reported from Scotland and England in 1895.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/07/triangular-ufos_n_4913806.html

    Go back a few hundred years and nobody was seeing UFO or ‘aliens’; (as has been suggested) the unexplained phenomena would have been ‘seen’ as ‘visions’ of angels, gods, demons or ghosts. Of course, this is just how people from an earlier time interpreted what they saw but it does bring into question the reliability of many witnesses…..and the human brain can be very ‘suggestible’.

    Sightings and not visions go back thousands of years to the Sumerian civilization where they talk about Gods called the Anunnaki. In my opinion i thing a lot of these “gods” that
    ancient civilizations talk about were some type of advance race that ancient people thought as “gods.”

    During WW2 an island tribe thought Americans and their technology were gods.

    The tribe of Tanna (a remote island near Fiji and New Caledonia) worships a deceased American WWII soldier named John Frum as Messiah, while their supreme deity is none other than Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh.

    Their religion fells into the category of what is known as “Cargo Cults”. They originated in early 20th century tribal communities on a number of Pacific islands.

    These religions were born after US and UK soldiers reached their remote islands by ships and planes during WW2 (mostly), to establish airfields and army bases.

    Without a proper understanding of our culture and technology, they considered the soldiers to be actual gods coming from the heavens.

    So, what if our ancestors witnessed similar things thousands of years ago, and our religions are nothing else than the variations of these cargo cults?

    Studying the ancient accounts of gods from the most important ancient cultures, like the Sumerian, first African tribes, Akkadian, Egyptian, Mesoamerican, Greek and even Roman, always led me to the discovery of flesh and bones beings, with names and kindred.

    They had been worshiped as gods only after their departure, and the rituals of our ancestors had the goal of bringing them back.

    http://humansarefree.com/2013/06/the-island-where-dead-us-soldier-is.html

    One other thing that I find interesting is when and where these ‘UFO’ sightings occur. One of the pieces of video posted relates to a Police Officer getting close to a landed UFO and alien figures in broad-daylight in about 1964; that evidence relies on eyewitness testimony alone. But now that almost everybody in the civilised world carries high-resolution camera and video equipment on their person at all times the ‘UFO’ sightings have suddenly sought the safety of darkness…

    …they don’t hide exactly, brazenly flying over populated areas ablaze with high-intensity lights, but why have they suddenly become shy of showing themselves in the daylight?

    Assuming these craft are not from Earth that would mean they are controlled by a much advance race that is probably keeping an eye in our tech evolution. Maybe they keep a low
    profile during the day since they know that we have cameras all over the place.

    Try to follow this analogy… The USAF and Naval air only strike at night in the opening hours of a conflict. That’s because it makes it much harder for the enemy manning AAA
    to hit our fighters. A lot of our fighters lost over North Vietnam were shot down by AAA during the day. Of course they didn’t have the tech of the mid 80’s to precisely strike
    targets at night in Vietnam but you get where I’m going at. Today air strikes at a country who’s military has a crap load of AAA is almost suicide specially with todays AAA batteries.

    Maybe that is the reason these UFOs don’t make themselves known that much during the day. Todays advance HD-cameras could take detail pics and maybe they know that.

    SolarWarden
    Participant

    Let us remember the first post in this thread; this concerned the claim that a very earthbound President of the United States had knowledge of a 300-seat ‘space shuttle’ and talk of fleets of NASA ‘anti-gravity spacecraft’! If human beings do have this technology then why the need for alien visitations at all?

    One thing that does bear examination I think is what the witnesses are actually seeing. The design of the UFO that they see tends to conform to the fictional UFO in popular culture. Roughly speaking in 1940-1960 it was all metallic ‘flying saucers’ discs and balls, in 1960-1990 (and especially after ‘Close Encounters of the Third Kind’ was released) bright lights in the night sky became the order of the day (coincidentally, of course, when many more commercial airliners and helicopters started carrying high-intensity lights) and post-1990 the mysterious ‘black triangles’ start to become more common (about the same time that the F-117 and B-2 stealth aircraft enter the public consciousness)!

    Can this all be coincidence?

    Reports of flying triangles go back to the late 1800’s

    The earliest known reports of these unusual triangles can be traced to the Dutch East Indies in the late 1890s, around 10 years prior to the Wright Brothers’ first powered airplane flight in 1903. Triangle UFOs were also reported from Scotland and England in 1895.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/07/triangular-ufos_n_4913806.html

    Go back a few hundred years and nobody was seeing UFO or ‘aliens’; (as has been suggested) the unexplained phenomena would have been ‘seen’ as ‘visions’ of angels, gods, demons or ghosts. Of course, this is just how people from an earlier time interpreted what they saw but it does bring into question the reliability of many witnesses…..and the human brain can be very ‘suggestible’.

    Sightings and not visions go back thousands of years to the Sumerian civilization where they talk about Gods called the Anunnaki. In my opinion i thing a lot of these “gods” that
    ancient civilizations talk about were some type of advance race that ancient people thought as “gods.”

    During WW2 an island tribe thought Americans and their technology were gods.

    The tribe of Tanna (a remote island near Fiji and New Caledonia) worships a deceased American WWII soldier named John Frum as Messiah, while their supreme deity is none other than Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh.

    Their religion fells into the category of what is known as “Cargo Cults”. They originated in early 20th century tribal communities on a number of Pacific islands.

    These religions were born after US and UK soldiers reached their remote islands by ships and planes during WW2 (mostly), to establish airfields and army bases.

    Without a proper understanding of our culture and technology, they considered the soldiers to be actual gods coming from the heavens.

    So, what if our ancestors witnessed similar things thousands of years ago, and our religions are nothing else than the variations of these cargo cults?

    Studying the ancient accounts of gods from the most important ancient cultures, like the Sumerian, first African tribes, Akkadian, Egyptian, Mesoamerican, Greek and even Roman, always led me to the discovery of flesh and bones beings, with names and kindred.

    They had been worshiped as gods only after their departure, and the rituals of our ancestors had the goal of bringing them back.

    http://humansarefree.com/2013/06/the-island-where-dead-us-soldier-is.html

    One other thing that I find interesting is when and where these ‘UFO’ sightings occur. One of the pieces of video posted relates to a Police Officer getting close to a landed UFO and alien figures in broad-daylight in about 1964; that evidence relies on eyewitness testimony alone. But now that almost everybody in the civilised world carries high-resolution camera and video equipment on their person at all times the ‘UFO’ sightings have suddenly sought the safety of darkness…

    …they don’t hide exactly, brazenly flying over populated areas ablaze with high-intensity lights, but why have they suddenly become shy of showing themselves in the daylight?

    Assuming these craft are not from Earth that would mean they are controlled by a much advance race that is probably keeping an eye in our tech evolution. Maybe they keep a low
    profile during the day since they know that we have cameras all over the place.

    Try to follow this analogy… The USAF and Naval air only strike at night in the opening hours of a conflict. That’s because it makes it much harder for the enemy manning AAA
    to hit our fighters. A lot of our fighters lost over North Vietnam were shot down by AAA during the day. Of course they didn’t have the tech of the mid 80’s to precisely strike
    targets at night in Vietnam but you get where I’m going at. Today air strikes at a country who’s military has a crap load of AAA is almost suicide specially with todays AAA batteries.

    Maybe that is the reason these UFOs don’t make themselves known that much during the day. Todays advance HD-cameras could take detail pics and maybe they know that.

    in reply to: Vietnam's next big fighter purchase? #2174997
    SolarWarden
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    from Tango’s news thread..

    they want something western
    Saab, Lockheed, Boink, and Eurofighter are in the lead.

    The American aircraft seem to be relegated to transport and maritime duties
    but Typhoon and Gripen E being mentioned as fighters for consideration

    Never heard of Boink. But I’m sure they’ll do very well indeed. 😀

    in reply to: General Discussion #264202
    SolarWarden
    Participant

    The belief in alien visitations and the conspiracy theories thereof can be compared to the belief in gods and other forms of deity. Those who believe need no evidence other than circumstantial or untested evidence and those that don’t await proof.

    And people who have witness such events? Cops and Military officers that have actually seen with their own eyes are compared to what?

    SolarWarden
    Participant

    The belief in alien visitations and the conspiracy theories thereof can be compared to the belief in gods and other forms of deity. Those who believe need no evidence other than circumstantial or untested evidence and those that don’t await proof.

    And people who have witness such events? Cops and Military officers that have actually seen with their own eyes are compared to what?

    in reply to: General Discussion #264258
    SolarWarden
    Participant

    One problem with ‘UFO’ witness testimony is that there seems to be quite a lot of it; this fact alone raises some interesting questions.

    Are all the UFO sightings actually alien spacecraft? Even the most optimistic ‘ufologists’ surely must discount the vast majority of sightings as cases of mistaken identification of earthbound or man-made phenomena; to do otherwise would seem to suggest that the Earth is being visited regularly by a whole range of alien species in a virtual armada of spacecraft that exhibit a vast spectrum of different designs and flight characteristics.

    All these witnesses were sure they’d seen a UFO; and these were only the witnesses that were brave enough, or foolhardy enough, to come forward and admit that they’d seen a UFO. How many more UFO sightings got no further than family and friends and did not make it into the public domain?

    Isn’t it possible that the vast majority of these UFO witnesses were just mistaken? And if the vast majority could have been mistaken couldn’t they all have been mistaken?

    If not then the planet Earth must be a very interesting place, amongst billions of galaxies, to require so much alien investigation!

    I’m only interested in a handful of witness testimony. Rendlesham Forest is one of those where you actually have credible witnesses and live audio recording
    of the Deputy base commander, Col. Halt during the sighting.

    This was another that had credible witnesses and was recorded on radar.

    I’m sure these people were hallucinating or making crap up.

    SolarWarden
    Participant

    One problem with ‘UFO’ witness testimony is that there seems to be quite a lot of it; this fact alone raises some interesting questions.

    Are all the UFO sightings actually alien spacecraft? Even the most optimistic ‘ufologists’ surely must discount the vast majority of sightings as cases of mistaken identification of earthbound or man-made phenomena; to do otherwise would seem to suggest that the Earth is being visited regularly by a whole range of alien species in a virtual armada of spacecraft that exhibit a vast spectrum of different designs and flight characteristics.

    All these witnesses were sure they’d seen a UFO; and these were only the witnesses that were brave enough, or foolhardy enough, to come forward and admit that they’d seen a UFO. How many more UFO sightings got no further than family and friends and did not make it into the public domain?

    Isn’t it possible that the vast majority of these UFO witnesses were just mistaken? And if the vast majority could have been mistaken couldn’t they all have been mistaken?

    If not then the planet Earth must be a very interesting place, amongst billions of galaxies, to require so much alien investigation!

    I’m only interested in a handful of witness testimony. Rendlesham Forest is one of those where you actually have credible witnesses and live audio recording
    of the Deputy base commander, Col. Halt during the sighting.

    This was another that had credible witnesses and was recorded on radar.

    I’m sure these people were hallucinating or making crap up.

    in reply to: General Discussion #264268
    SolarWarden
    Participant

    When returning home one evening to my then abode in Ealing I looked up into the sky and saw a large white object surrounded by light hanging silently in the dark sky.
    Not being the type susceptible to believing in aliens etc. I puzzled over what the object could be, I could muster no explanation whatsoever.
    My brother, waiting at my abode in order to accompany me back to our parents place in the west country by car, similarly not being susceptible to a belief in aliens could also not provide any sort of rational explanation of the object. We observed and discussed the phenomenon for several minutes.
    At this point both of us believed we were observing a UFO.
    A chap walking down the hill past us noted out clear bewilderment and lack of understanding and helpfully informed us that the object we were observing was the blimp hovering over Wembley for a football match…

    UFO’s yes, but only to those who don’t know what it is…!
    Open minds yes, open to solid data and knowledge yes, open to wild conspiracy theories no.

    Open to witness testimony like Cops and Military Officers?

    SolarWarden
    Participant

    When returning home one evening to my then abode in Ealing I looked up into the sky and saw a large white object surrounded by light hanging silently in the dark sky.
    Not being the type susceptible to believing in aliens etc. I puzzled over what the object could be, I could muster no explanation whatsoever.
    My brother, waiting at my abode in order to accompany me back to our parents place in the west country by car, similarly not being susceptible to a belief in aliens could also not provide any sort of rational explanation of the object. We observed and discussed the phenomenon for several minutes.
    At this point both of us believed we were observing a UFO.
    A chap walking down the hill past us noted out clear bewilderment and lack of understanding and helpfully informed us that the object we were observing was the blimp hovering over Wembley for a football match…

    UFO’s yes, but only to those who don’t know what it is…!
    Open minds yes, open to solid data and knowledge yes, open to wild conspiracy theories no.

    Open to witness testimony like Cops and Military Officers?

    in reply to: General Discussion #264272
    SolarWarden
    Participant

    He’s one of your lot John ! You can tell by his expertise with spelling, grammar and syntax.

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    in reply to: Why China will never be a superpower #1822334
    SolarWarden
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    He’s one of your lot John ! You can tell by his expertise with spelling, grammar and syntax.

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