SolarWardenHi All,
While I can see from the points above raised may make it difficult for Chinas economy I still think they are a super power they have the military might to back it up and are not afraid to use it as with their land reclamation at the moment. I am sure they would not willingly just as Russia would willingly start a war but never the less we should never under estimate their reach in the Asia/Pacific region they have already cocked a snoop to the US and are always seeing off any US recognisance that happens to wander around any disputed area, they are always upgrading the technical ability along with their weapons unless just as Russia is doing at the moment rattling the sabre because it looks good on the tv screens ? Do not be sure they will not be a super power they look well on the way to me but hey! what do I know it’s just my opinion….;)Geoff.
Nothing wrong with having an opinion. But think of it this way… china is still having trouble making a reliable fighter engine. There so called “indigenous” engine is still a copy
of the russian one. Their Flankers are a russian copy which are notoriously known for being hanger queens, can you imagine a copy of a hangar queen?
Their military tech is nowhere near the US and any shooting conflict with china over the SCS is going to turn into a turkey shoot. china hasn’t been at war since their conflict with Vietnam and that war was a draw. The question of the US is, how far do they go when it comes to hurting china. US will not want to get in a situation where it is just decimating china’s navy and air force to the point the PLA threatens the use of nukes. You can’t back down when you are threaten with nukes or everyone with nukes will do
the same. So the US will have to at some point stop the conflict before it gets to that threat.
This is DOD’s fantasy. This is what they went to Naval and Air Force academy. To defend the nation and allies against a nation with a big and sorta”modern” military.
They are tired of sand and cave dwelling jihadis.
China is dying and the rest of the west knows it. That is why they have started to slowly replace china. I don’t know if you’ve seen the movie Soylent Green? It is very likely that china can and will become like that movie. They are literally dying from pollution of our (west) making.
Even the desert is creeping east slowly swallowing Beijing.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/12/2012126123056457256.html
China will never be a superpower of any kind. Its navy is not even considered a blue water navy and it won’t even last in a conflict with Nippons Navy.
SolarWardenOK, let us look at the evidence in the radio report that you have just posted.
A ‘flying disc’ has been recovered, no size is given but the radio report clearly states that the ‘disc’ is going to be flown to the ‘AAF Research Centre at Wright Field, Ohio’…
…this was in 1947; how big could this ‘flying disc’ be if it could fit inside a cargo aircraft from 1947?
Also many of the original reports from Roswell talk about ‘rubber’ or ‘tin-foil’ being recovered from the crash-site; those reports do sound like they could be related to a balloon don’t they?
Most balloons carry a payload; couldn’t the payload have been shaped like a ‘disc’? And the payload of a balloon would almost certainly fit into a 1947 cargo aircraft wouldn’t it.
The military certainly were trying to cover-up something about what crashed at Roswell but that doesn’t mean it was a crashed ‘UFO’; couldn’t the payload of the ‘weather balloon’ have been something that the military wanted to keep secret? They certainly declined to describe it and as far as is known nobody photographed it…
…which is a bit strange in itself; if you found a crashed ‘UFO’ wouldn’t you at least photograph it?
Talks about more than one craft.
SolarWardenOK, let us look at the evidence in the radio report that you have just posted.
A ‘flying disc’ has been recovered, no size is given but the radio report clearly states that the ‘disc’ is going to be flown to the ‘AAF Research Centre at Wright Field, Ohio’…
…this was in 1947; how big could this ‘flying disc’ be if it could fit inside a cargo aircraft from 1947?
Also many of the original reports from Roswell talk about ‘rubber’ or ‘tin-foil’ being recovered from the crash-site; those reports do sound like they could be related to a balloon don’t they?
Most balloons carry a payload; couldn’t the payload have been shaped like a ‘disc’? And the payload of a balloon would almost certainly fit into a 1947 cargo aircraft wouldn’t it.
The military certainly were trying to cover-up something about what crashed at Roswell but that doesn’t mean it was a crashed ‘UFO’; couldn’t the payload of the ‘weather balloon’ have been something that the military wanted to keep secret? They certainly declined to describe it and as far as is known nobody photographed it…
…which is a bit strange in itself; if you found a crashed ‘UFO’ wouldn’t you at least photograph it?
Talks about more than one craft.
SolarWardenI’m pretty sure senior officers who were veteran airmen in WW2 who just about saw everything man made in the air made a mistake when they
decided to go to the media and announce they have in their possession a crashed disc, only to confuse it for a balloon, right?
No in my America.
SolarWardenI’m pretty sure senior officers who were veteran airmen in WW2 who just about saw everything man made in the air made a mistake when they
decided to go to the media and announce they have in their possession a crashed disc, only to confuse it for a balloon, right?
No in my America.
SolarWardenYou might be right but there are several hundred billionaires and thousands of millionaires in China with numbers increasing year on year. So where will the West move their production to?
when china starts to implode all those rich chinese will be coming to the US or Europe. China is living on borrowed time.
SolarWardenYou might be right but there are several hundred billionaires and thousands of millionaires in China with numbers increasing year on year. So where will the West move their production to?
when china starts to implode all those rich chinese will be coming to the US or Europe. China is living on borrowed time.
SolarWardenDid you just copy the entire article by that site ?
and then in addition claim it is Your article ?
Where on earth does it say that this article is mine or claim it’s mine?
SolarWarden‘In Hands Of The Professionals:’ F-35Bs On The USS Wasp
ABOARD USS WASP: The continuous sorties of F-35Bs flying on May 26, watched by British and US press, was almost numbing. Six planes aboard the ship flew sortie after sortie, four from the Green Knights squadron at Yuma and two from the Warlords at Beaufort.
As Lt. General Davis, deputy Marine Commandant for aviation, said in response to a question about the date for Initial Operating Capability (IOC) of the F-35B: “It will be this summer. We are clearly focused on July. But it is in the hands of the professionals and they are making it happen.”
The professionals he had in mind are maintainers from three squadrons, the Green Knights (Yuma), the Warlords (Beaufort) and VMX-22 (New River). The ship’s executive officer (XO), Capt. Andrew “Mongo” Smith, highlighted the ability of a 25-year-old ship to become part of fifth generation warfare and operate the F-35 showed the flexibility of both the ship and the Navy-Marine Corps team.
One of the Marine pilots involved with the ship integration-testing said:
“No one in the world has ever sent an airplane off of an amphibious ship with this level of situational awareness and fusion between aircraft to aircraft and aircraft to ship. The fusion of the data aboard the airplanes and your ability to see what other planes are seeing a number of miles away from you, as well as what the ship is seeing, and then to be able to communicate with them without using the radio is a tactical and strategic advantage that can not really be over stated.”
Together, the Navy-Marine Corps team is transforming the Gator Navy, which has historically operated amphibious ships for assault by helos, amphibious vehicles, and infantry, to one that can assault from sea at great distances. It is turning what was a Greyhound Bus role to shaping an entirely new strike capability appropriate for 21st century operations. It began with the introduction of the Osprey and is being empowered by the integration of the F-35B with the Marine Corps force.
This change was presaged in a Marine Corps exercise last year involving San Clemente Island. Operating from the training base in Twentynine Palms and landing on California’s San Clemente Island, approximately 100 students from the Infantry Officer Course in Quantico flew aboard Ospreys to eliminate cruise missile threats and take back an airfield from enemy forces.
The Infantry Officer Course at Quantico paired with VMX-22 conducted the exercise and the Ospreys were accompanied by specially configured Ospreys using an airborne Wi-Fi network that linked the tables carried by the squads riding in the Ospreys. The Cat Bird, the F-35 surrogate sensor aircraft, sent maps and images as well as text messages about the objective to the Marines as they flew.
The Ospreys carried the force; the F-35 surrogate provided the cover so the force could be inserted more effectively. This is how the Marines are looking at a key aspect of the F-35 approach to providing close air support for a 21st century ground insertion force.
The CO of VMX-22, Col. “Horse” Rauenhorst highlighted that their work as a squadron was focusing on the integration of the Osprey, the F-35 and the new CH-53K helicopter as key elements to create a more lethal and survivable MAGTF. The infantry Marine forces can be inserted at greater distance, with greater flexibility to enhance their effectiveness and survivability. That is the whole point of the innovation being tested aboard the USS Wasp.
One aspect of the effort for ship integration of the F-35B aboard the ship was maintenance at sea. Maintainers from the three squadrons – the Green Knights from Yuma, the Warlords from Beaufort, and those from VMX-22 – worked together for the first time aboard the ship. And according to the maintainers their approach worked very well.
The report from the team aboard the ship was straightforward: “we could maintain the plane on ship very well and saw no loss of capability compared to maintaining the plane ashore.”
The Brits were aboard as well and are training with the Marines at Beaufort, S.C., the base where all foreign F-35B pilots and the foreign maintainers as well. The Italians will be coming next; both the Italian Navy and Air Force will operate F-35Bs.
I have now had a chance to visit all three new large deck ships where the F-35 will play a key role: the HMS Queen Elizabeth on March 31 in Scotland; earlier aboard the USS America, and the CVN-78 (Gerald Ford). The British carrier is designed for the F-35B and the engagement of the Royal Navy and Royal Air Force with the Marines and the Navy is very significant, and personnel clearly were looking for lessons learned aboard the ship to integrate with the standing up of the new class of the UK’s very innovative carriers which the United Kingdom is building.
Lt. Cdr. Neil Mathieson and Lt. Cdr. Beth Kitchen represented the Royal Navy. Mathieson was visiting the ship and returning to the UK with lessons learned; Kitchen is based at Beaufort and is an integral part of the Royal Navy-Marine team, notably with regard to rolling out the maintenance process and effort.
“The F-35 can be surrounded by myth and legend. But it is a real testimony to the capabilities of the maintainers of the Royal Navy, the Royal Air Force and the USMC to adapt to the new technological challenges,” Kitchen said. “Their knowledge of aircraft systems is now being applied to a new air system and taking steps forward into the unknown. It is a testament to the professionalism of these maintainers that they are just getting on with the job of making this aircraft work. Every single person involved in this detachment are passionate about this aircraft — and not just because it is a sexy looking aircraft — but they want to see it working in every operational environment.”
http://breakingdefense.com/2015/05/its-in-hands-of-the-professionals-f-35bs-on-the-uss-wasp/
Pfft. Nothing but LM lies and propaganda. 😀
SolarWardenI know, MSphere alone has made at least three completely BS claims on the Rafale thread, four if we count the DAS vs DDM-NG one, and we’re yet to see any evidence of passive SPECTRA BVR kills with live shots, or even simulated shots beyond what LOAL IIR missiles can do anyway. Halloweene originally claimed 10nm for the simulated shot:
Now he claims >20nm:
The only source appears to show a target on a threat warning display, locked or otherwise, at 7.8nm.
Then he says he didn’t say that DEDIRA reduces Rafale RCS to that of a stealth aircraft…
…but now he claims it does:
And I’m the troll?
The guy is pretty smug and sensitive. In another thread he claimed i was being hysterical and ranting just to impress him. This guy actually thought i was trying to impress him as if he is somebody important to me to impress! Lol!
SolarWardenyour assuming too much without any substance to backup. mere hearsay.
Ukraine SAM network is in no position to deal with continously updated Iskaner/Yakhont/Tornado systems. poorly paid, trained conscrpts with complete lack of maintaince, fuel and energy depedence make it completely ineffective. I am not even going to very heavy jamming they will face to operate those SAMs.
and No one is going to come to rescue ukraine if Russia chose to escalate. the only reason they not esclating is they are giving time to EU to invest money in dead economics of Ukraine as Russia has $25b bank exposure to Ukraine.
I said Ukraine has a decent SAM network. I didn’t say it alone could hold off a massive air strike. But Ukraine can make the russian air force hurt.
http://cpreview.org/2014/03/air-combat-over-eastern-ukraine/
AS far as the west supporting Ukraine incase of escalation with advance weapons… nobody really knows. Not you or me. You’re not getting the point of the thread since it has gone in a whole new debate. My point was if the US is going to give Ukraine the A-10 (because the whole point of the thread was what nation would be interested in the A-10 incase it’s available) then US policy has drastically change when it comes to the US, and probably the west, on giving Ukraine advance weapons. The point I’m trying to make is, if the US is giving Ukraine A-10s, it is very likely giving Ukraine other weapons it needs or wants.
I agreed that if Ukraine started flying the A-10 into combat it would be an easy target. But I’m also implying that it would be very likely the US would give Ukraine capabilities to not make it an easy target as in other weapon capabilities.
That is all I’m saying.
SolarWardenI have written local militia supported by “tourists”.. By tourists, Russian soldiers are ironically meant. Your whole hysterical post was completely baseless.
Anyway, I see a huge difference between a (relatively) clandestine operation as it is now and a full blown war with dozens of regiments streaming in over the border to Ukraine..Regd. the remaining part, I don’t want to be a part of the usual cold war vol.II pissing contest. If you think that your rant somehow left me impressed, then you’re wrong.
You’re a very sensitive person, aren’t you? You see things that aren’t there. I knew what you meant on the “tourist” post and my Bridge to sell you was meant in jest and not as a smart a** remark. This whole hysterical and ranting claim by you is quite funny because i was neither. And your smug thinking that i was trying to impress you as if you were somehow important to me to impress is also funny. I know this is going to shock you but just take what I’m about to tell you calmly…. I don’t care wether if i impress you or not. You’re not that important to me.
SolarWardenUkraine military hasnt even dealt with modern airstrikes or cruise missile attacks that can paralayze country.
Ukraine has a decent SAM network. But if there was air strikes and cruise missile attacks in Ukraine, once again it means a whole new level of escalation which means Ukraine would be seeing western help in dealing with russian fighters and cruise missiles. It’s one thing for russia to fight so close to its border where the population is russian, it’s another to fight hundreds of miles away form the motherland in which russia hasn’t proven it can.
SolarWardenIraqis have proven themselves enough against Iran. GW1 and GW2 has seen little / next to none ground action, there was not that much to prove for the boots on the ground, anyway.
If Ukrainians were to fight against real Russian Army, not just local militia supported by “tourists”, the outcome would not be that much different from GW1. My 0.02
Really? If you believe that Ukraine is only fighting “local militia” supported by russian weapons and not heavily armed russian soldiers, then i got the Brooklyn Bridge to sell you.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/19/russia-official-silence-for-families-troops-killed-in-ukraine
If you mean a real russian division invading the east, then you have a whole new escalation in which the west would probably intervene with money and weapons and destroy russia’s
economy with smack down sanctions. The US is barely even trying when it comes to punishing russia and already russia’s economy is in deep trouble. Now just imagine if the US actually tried to punish russia economically. But now the thread about A-10s has gone a whole new direction. Sorry to OP.
SolarWardenThose advisors and training was already failure in Iraq despite having spent 10 years there.. Russia weopons delivery and training can be much faster. so much faster change in battlefield.
Non jihadi iraqi’s have never made good soldiers. They don’t fight, period. GW-1 and GW-2 where pretty good examples of iraqi soldiers lack of fighting capabilities. Ukraine with little to no help and with a third world military has done an okay job against russian soldiers.
The only effective EW i can think of EA-18G/F-18E combo that is ready to export but it took 5 to 7 years for $45k per capita country like Australia. it wont work in country having per capita closer to somali land. basically mean skilled labor has fled.
Giving A-10s to Ukraine means a change in US/NATO policy towards Ukraine, meaning that Ukraine is going to get more than A-10s.
It means giving Ukraine real time SAT intel. It means armed drones and long range Artillery like the MLRS to take out russian SAM’s and Arti rockets just over the russian border. Russia already fires into Ukraine form there side of the border.
So now we’re getting into a whole new debate and the thread has been derailed.
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