Hilarious position for a FLIR ball, directly in the propeller slipstream.
Clutching at straws are we?
Hint, did you ever consider what his the air stream under a combat jet at 1000 km´s at low altitudes?
Its worse.
Originally Posted by JSLLL4
Chinese people lived in harmony with nature for thousands of years. Unlike Egypt, Babylon, and the Meso-American civilizations, Chinese farmers never degraded the soil. Westerners introduced poisons such as LCD radiation, batteries, nuclear power and waste, toxic automobile emissions, electromagnetic waves, pesticides, detergents etc. to China in the 20th century.
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OH, THE EVIL DETERGENTS AND THE ELECTROMAGNETIC PESTICIDES…
But worse, much worse than that, Westerners (of the evil Anglo Saxonic westerner type) introduced the Monty Pyton´s to the world.
And let me guess, you work in here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ministry_of_Silly_Walks
Silly Bunny… :p
… target acquisition by two biological sensors that detect light and convert it into electro-chemical impulses, mounted on the swivelling mount on top of the biological unit controlling that aerial vehicle. Weapons release point and ballistic are estimated by a slow clocked organic computation unit inside the swivelling mount.
Technology has moved on since.
Thank you for making my point.
The reason why a small, single engined, turboprop airframe, transformed itself from a day only, dumb bombs/rockets/machine guns into a day/night, allweather, PGM launcher and intel gatherer is precisely because “Technology has moved on”.
There are enough evidences (historical, at that) that far from being “useless for the task”, a single, forward mounting turboprop is actually quite a decent and capable configuration fos CAS/COIN.
The recent combat experience by the Brasilian and Colombian Air Forces (in were Super Tucanos replaced the OV10) is such a proof, the PGM capability that the Tucanos brought has been ailed by the FAC has “revolutionary”, the chaps on the receiving end (the FARC) agree (publicly).
During maneuvering the low mounted wing obscures a large part of the sensor field of view.
If you stick the sensors under the wing, yes, if you stick them under the nose, no. Look at the Super Tucano for that.

Having the sensor on the centreline requires extra hardening since it will be in the dirt and spray of the nose wheel. And putting the sensors on the wing is not a good idea because of wing flexing and vibrations.
Technical problem done and dusted a long, long time ago on quite a number of diferent platforms.
The sensor also occupies the best weapon station on a single prop. If you look at that USMC Bronco NOGS with the belly turret you’ll see the beauty of it, as it enables off-flight vector suppression gun fire.
Again depends on were you stick the sensors, on the Super Tucano, the belly weapon station (albeit not with the external fuel tank) is usable with the FLIR instaled .
Brilliant post! Thanks for reminding how CAS/COIN is different today from the past. I am curious though, does low mounted wings really get in the way of a plane whose sensors are mounted in the nose?
No, just stick the sensors on the nose, not below the wings.
Lord Rayleigh would be turning in his grave because the fuzzy thingy no longer scatters. MAD does not work because this whole fuzzy thingy is a titanium and composite wonder. Taiwan’s hope is go back to roots of Physics and maybe come up with some Gravitational Anomaly detector to warn of the approach of such a thingy. But whaddya know, this thing ejects the Higgs boson from the matter itself and this thing is no longer is affected by gravity.
GIGO:rolleyes:
I hope they have a patent for that! 😀
Don’t forget, China is the PEOPLE’s republic and is a socialist country, so patents don’t work in China.
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Patent Law of the People’s Republic of China
(Adopted at the 4th Session of the Standing Committee of the Sixth National People’s Congress on March 12, 1984, Amended by the Decision Regarding the Revision of the Patent Law of the People’s Republic of China, adopted at the 27th Session of the Standing Committee of the Seventh National People’s Congress on September 4,1992)
There’s no way they actually put the DSI on an existing F-16 though. It had to have been a new built prototype, no?
That has already been answered to you before.
The airframe was a block 30, the last of those were built seven years before the DSI was installed…
Here you go.
No I claimed PL-21 development will be completed this year as projected, ahead of Meteor.
And that conclusion is based on a photo of a cardboard that was stuck in a exposition a few years ago!
So according to “rumours” (because we dont have anything else), first flight in 2010, end of of development in 2012, hell, William “Deak” Parsons would be astounded…
JSLLL4 – The standard in this forúm are normaly a bit higher, a few photos of the actual hardware would be apreciated…
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One of the most unbelivable threads for quite some time
Interesting. Does this mean all existing Generation Uno J-10s can be upgraded into Generation Zwei ones without being completely rebuilt from scratch?
Better ask AVIC.
The J-10 project its not exactly described in detail on open sources, and i would imagine there are a lot more diferences between the J-10A and the J-10B than the air intake.
By example, can the J-10A airframe cope with the electrical demand for the AESA(?) and respective cooling system without extensive (and expensive) upgrades?
Back to the topic. Does anyone know if the F-16 Block 30 that LM used to test DSI was a new-built plane or an existing one that they took and modified the airframe? I don’t think it would be easy to convert an existing airframe to have DSI, the airframe is completely different.
Existing one.
AVIC can easily make thousands of J-10s within any given month.
Silly claim…
As talks are made here in sweden one expenive alternative is a stealthier airframe, maybe something like FS2020 frame features on a Gripen DEMO frame, probably stealthy with pods?
This would be beautiful, but i am expecting something much more conventional and very similar to the Demo airframe.
Time will tell.
Upper $40s is just that UPPER.. ie 47,48,49 etc, not “mid” 40s which is what 45 is.
$47 in 2002 would cost $56.62 in 2010
$48 in 2002 would cost $57.82 in 2010
$49 in 2002 would cost $59.03 in 2010
http://www.westegg.com/inflation/So from 57/58/59 (depending on what “Upper $40s is) to 65 (the current CY 2010 estimate) is not that much of a rise.
If it is still being bought in numbers very close to the initial goal, then that by definition is still “affordable”. Besides, the recent slowdown in LRIP and projected reductions in Partner buys has more to do with the Global economic crisis and less to do with the price of the F-35 itself.
On a final note, what CY were all those <= $40 mill quotes in. Without context, those quotes are pure trolling and do not add anything to debate.
The latest official numbers for the “Average Unit Flyaway Cost”…

The “Unit Recurring Cost Fly Away” is three pages ahead of this one, and to cut a great deal of talk short, if the 1763 airframes for the USAF are bought, if the inflation is down, etc, etc, its 100 million US$ (in then year dollars).
These were released one month ago, and has you are well aware they have been climbing more than 10% a year. From February 2011, to February 2012 they´ve climbed almost 20%…
Anyone believes that the “climbing” has stoped?
And anyone believes that it will be bought on the original numbers?