Judging by some of the European posters attitudes here regarding Israel it becomes much much easier to understand how the Holocaust happened in the first place. Antisemitism must be so deeply ingrained in continental Europe that they just cant help themselves but hate us Jews.

My, my…
Can you point one single antisemitic sentence posted by an European in this topic?
You are confusing antisemitism with oposition to Israel policies, two vastly diferent ball games.

Sintra,

I agree that he might have been inaccurate…Or perhaps not but we don’t have enough element to really know. My point is that you can’t dismiss all what he said because of one claim taken in the context of a “flame” with some posters on this forum a while ago. Even if you are skeptical with his statement on this particular point we should not forget that he brought many precisions as far as the brazilian evaluation process is concerned. As a aviation journalist and member of the brazilian committee he certainly has the credentials to give his view on the evaluation process.

I am actually owing Pepe a bottle of wine for quite some time… We have traded messages in several Brasilian Forúns years ago, and he´s the chap who he says he his, he has the credentials, and i dont have no doubts that he did read an official report, that doesnt mean that he has read it well, or that particular report might had some flaws.
I dont dismiss “all that he said”, far from it, i actually have a lot of respect for Pepe, but that particular information i do dismiss it. I dont think its believable that on an “Aples to Aples” comparison a combat loaded Rafale has something like a 100X smaller RCS foot print than a Super Hornet.

Wait a minute – Aboulafia on Russian military hardware? Even when he’s talking about Western European airliners he is quite literally “not completely reliable”, I doubt this was more than a shot from the hip.

Trident

You have hit the nail on the head.

There are aerospace journos, and there are aerospace journos.
Richard Aboulafia on Russian Military equipment and Asian airforces dont “mix very well”. There are a multitude of chaps on this forúm who are vastly more reliable than Aboulafia on these particular matters.

Depends on what you mean by “maneuverable”. The J-20 will beat the J-10 in high alpha. With thrust vectoring it could probably beat the F-22 and T-50 as well. This is a knife fighter with long legs.

http://youtu.be/lw-gug6GdEI

:rolleyes:

It never fails to amaze me the kind of conclusions that some chaps can make just looking at photos!

Do you have access to the J-20 and J-10 (nevermind the T-50 or the Raptor) charts describing the sustained turn rate (STR), the Instantaneous Turn Rate (ITR) and the aceleration of both aircrafts?
Do you have the thrust figures for whatever turns out to be the production engines for the J-20? Or the wing loading? Or the weight of that thing?
Etc, etc, etc…

If you dont, how can you possibly state something like “The J-20 will beat the J-10 in high alpha. With thrust vectoring it could probably beat the F-22 and T-50 as well”?!

With the scant information that there´s available, is preposterous to make claims like you (or HappyFag) make.

A low wing single puller prop is a useless configuration for the task.

There are some South Africans and Portuguese pilots who used the AT-6 Texan in combat over Africa who would disagree…

2 engine drawing was submitted for Korea but FS 2020 is clearly one engine. All business logic implies a slighly bigger than Gripen NG and GE414EPE with Gripen NG avionics. Not even my wildest fanboy dreams will take SAAB into Medium weight/twin engine market segment.

Clearely one engine, size according to scale 17m long & 10,5m wingspan.
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/fordon_motor/flygplan/article269250.ece

Clearly one engine, same size indicated after “amateure measurement of missile size vs airframe size”
http://www2.foi.se/rapp/foir2775.pdf

More info about Swedens Gripen E/F requirements and the Gripen development path is expected within days. The logic is a) less ambitious C/D+ and E/F and more focus on possible G/H OR b) priority on E/F (Gripen ~NG).

Halo

The SAAB FS2020 concept is thoroughly described by a (official) SAAB document (you can find in this forum if you do a bit of a search), its a 10 ton clean airframe, the size of a Typhoon (bit longer actually) powered by a 17 ton thrust engine, and has i´ve said before, there´s not much of a Gripen (if any) in that concept.
There are multiple iterations of a future Gripen in SAAB´s computers, but the FS2020 is a completely new (much bigger) airframe.

As for the potential of this project, well if you include the potential to be late, over budget, lacking in capability and “built for but not with”

That description of yours can be easily aplied to the following programs, JSF, ATF, JVX, and a few others that clearly are not “European”.
On the other hand that description clearly doesnt aply to the French ACX or the Swedish JAS 39. And may i ask what European UAV was ordered by an European Government that was “late, over budget, lacking in capability”? The only one that springs to mind was the (very) small BAE Systems Phoenix…