And if the mission is long range strike against a fixed land target, don’t forget that the RAAF have integrated the JASSM with the classics. JASSM is a more stealthy missile than Storm Shadow, helping to lower the chance of you having to repeat the mission at a latter date.
And for strike missions generally, can you really write off the F-18F? With its APG-79 giving its two man crew simultaneous air and ground modes, how would it compare to the Typhoon with its old tech radar and single man crew? Then we could talk about the Rhino’s much deeper and coherent use of low observable technologies…
1º “JASSM is a more stealthy missile than Storm Shadow” – Based on what? A highly doubtfull claim and one that MBDA would surely dispute.
2º “With its APG-79 giving its two man crew simultaneous air and ground modes, how would it compare to the Typhoon with its old tech radar and single man crew?” – Hmmm…
3º “Then we could talk about the Rhino’s much deeper and coherent use of low observable technologies” – You had access to the RCS charts of the two aircrafts? And having to hang on everything in external pylons doesnt compromise in any way the RCS of those aircrafts, right?
The SHornet is a much more mature platform in the ATG scenario, no contest there, but if you want to highlight the SH strong points use coherent reasons.
I was taking look at the Eurofighter’s program cost so far –
Tranche 1 EUR 7 billion – 148 aircraft
Tranche 2 EUR 13 billion- 236 aircraft
Tranche 3 EUR 9 billion – 112 aircraftApprox total EUR 30 billion – 500 aircraft
That’s about EUR 60 million/unit (obviously unadjusted for inflation). Are those figures accurate? What’s missing? Development and/or support costs?
The figures are accurate but those are only production contracts (and almost one third of the T3A contract money includes provisions for the upgrades of T1 and T2 airframes).
Development and suport not included.
Quite a small machine!
Dont know if I missed it, but stephen trimble on the dew line is saying it’s tomorrow……
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Where in “The Dew Line”?
Just seen it.
India is rumoured to be set to announce tomorrow the outcome of the competition for the medium multi-rote combat aircraft (MMRCA),
CFT are entaierly composite.
Yep, that and 70% of the external fuselage of the Typhoon and rafale…
Ever heard of “Have Glass”?
Might have…
Just to name a few F-16Blk60 RCS reduction measures:
Have Glass I/II, semi-recessed faceted FLIR, internal IRST (as opposed to a pod), and CFTs instead of under-wing EFTs.
Part (or the totality for the fortunates with enough money) of the Have Glass I/II programs can be found in an awfull lot of EPAF Viper MLU TAPE 4 and 5 around Europe (at least the Dutch bought enough paint for their entire fleet, i wouldnt vouch for FAP, but at least the canopy his ok)… And the Block 60 doesnt have part of the Have Glass II (it doesnt need to, a chunk of HGII had to do with mechanical antena of the radar, RAM behind the antena, it was part of the Pacer MUD Program), and i would be a bit surprised that the UAE had actually bought PACER GEM II, the material is “famous” for looking dirty in a very short time, the UAE Vipers looked ok even after being operated for quite some time (yes, the material can be replaced often, that would explain it).
Semi-Recessed faceted Flir?! Have you ever looked of a photo of the “thing”? It heavily protrudes from the front of the fuselage! Have you ever seen anything from LM claiming that this particular equipment and location have anything to do with RCS reduction?

Internal IRST, its not exactly a cutting edge stealth feature, now is it?
And finally the CFT´s are there because without them the Block 60 would be able to bomb the end of the runway…
The Block 60 has the worst internal fuel fraction of every fighter/combat aircraft in production today, it has slightly less internal fuel than a Gripen NG while weighting the same has a RAFALE. The CFT´s in this particular aircraft are not an optional, they are a necessity, unless the mission his defending the airspace over its air base (yeah, i am exagerating a bit, but not much).
All in all i would be a bit surprised that this Viper version would have a smaller RCS by comparison with the likes of the Eurocanards. I am the first to acknoladge that the RCS is not measured by the “eyemeter”, but that particular Viper has external protuberances all over the place.
They have been working on reducing the F-16’s RCS for some time. It is also smaller than either.
By introducing every sort of external protuberances?!!!
If there´s one Viper who has antennas, CFT´s, external pods, etc coming from the fuselage all over the place thats the Desert Falcon.
Aviation Week is full of…seriously the things i have read from that page..
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Let me guess, the likes of Aviation Week, Flight Global, Janes, Key Publishing/Key Aero are all full of…
With their staff composed of aviation journos with decades of experience, enough written books to make a library and more awards than you can carry in a pick up truck i would say that the chaps at Aviation Week “might” have an idea of what they are talking about (even if we disagree with some of their texts).
Take note tho that EF is also displayed from it’s best side, with the semi recessed stations occupied.
Can EF carry Meteor on those stations ?
Yes it can. This particular AAM was designed specificaly with those stations in mind. The MBDA Meteor was designed around RAF Staff Requirement (Air) 1239, wich laid the specifications for a medium/long AAM to be used (specificaly) in the Typhoon.

This is typical Gripen Fanboy approach. For your information: nobody bought F-16 in 70s as it was in development than, F-16 sold equally well through 80s, 90s and 2000s.
Before calling “fanboy” left and right (something you have a bad habit off) a simple google search would be advised… Yes, JSR doesnt have a clue of what he was talking, but you are not much better.
Belgium, Holand, Norway and the Netherlands ordered 346 Vipers in 29 Jully 1975, Iran ordered 160 in Oct 1976, Israel ordered 75 in August 78, the first Viper build in Europe for the Belgium Air Force was flying December 1978 and was accepted by the BAF in January 1979. Before 1980 there were two European assembly lines churning out Vipers.
It could, conceivably be the receipts from the first 24, plus from training and support contracts
Thats precisely the money i imagine that “entered”. The other alternative that i´ve remembered would be too stupid, the NAO while acknowledging that the T3B was efectively dead (ence the 160 units) maintained the total cost/expenditure that was forecast to achieve a 232 production order!
This is not the Eurofighter Typhoon thread but the entire “NAO management_of_typhoon_project” document went **** up two weeks ago when the “Ministry of Defence: The Major Projects Report 2011” was released.
The NAO management_of_typhoon_project” document was entirely based on another document, the “Ministry of Defence: The Major Projects Report 2010“, including numbers, when the “”Ministry of Defence: The Major Projects Report 2011” was released a few days ago it was discovered that the entire program had gone +10% cheaper (roughly 2,5 billion pounds cheaper).
The entire program, to develop and build 160 Typhoons will cost 18159 million Pounds to the British tax payer.
My own take on this was that the Saudi payment for the T2 slots to the British Government had just entered.
Interestingly enough, i am still waiting for the British press to make a story out of this one, if i was a British journo specialised in Defense that would interest me, but…
On another note whilst the Swiss Air Forces future is with the Gripen there is a good chance the retiring F-5 have a long life ahead of them. The airframe is robust and maintained to an excellent standard by the Swiss. RUAG were offering a mid life update so there is clearly life in them, with US permission those retiring F-5 could be an attractive purchase for a number of airforces on a budget. The USN have already taken some retired Swiss F-5 and there is a number of upgrade options.
In the Brasilian forums the news that the Gripen NG was chosen by the Swiss was received with an awfull lot of black humour, there was a lot of coments like “Good for the Swiss, the Swiss Air Force receives new fighters and the FAB receives a lot of F-5E from the Swiss”.
For me make it : “Everytime i see an IAF birdie I wish it was carrying some weapons, A2A or A2G.”;)
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“Everytime” might be a bit of an “overkill”… 😀
