First, I didn’t mention the F 22 peak speed anywhere in my posts. AFAIK it’s classified. The SC speed is OTOH offical and it’s ~ 1.7M.
I did include the time EF climb and accelerate, but the figure is still lower than the 1.2M-1.3M claimed.
This means that an EF may very well go 1.3m with full A-A load (as I already said), but to go for a meaningfull distance, the SC speed is lower. The same goes for max. speed: with A-A load an EF can go to 1,8M, but for how long? Not too much, you can bet. That’s why the first scenario in the Norway presentation is flown in AB at ~ 1.3M.
The same goes for F 22 too. According to AFA journal the combat radius is 400 Nmiles including 100 Nmiles in SC, but it goes up to 590 Nmiles when flying in subsonic.
Dynamo
Without knowing the exact altitude that the profile is flown, using the data on the Norwegian pdf its impossible to calculate the exact mach number that is described by the term “supercruise”.
There are too many variables, and a variation of Mach 0.1/0.2 is well inside of a probable “error margin” (at least when i do those same calculations, but i was a disaster in maths at University, so… :o).
(I do imagine that you are aware that the mach number varies with altitude, air density, etc).
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I’m sure that EF can supercruise fro 1.2M, but for how long? That’s why i mentioned the Norwegian ternder.
Good question. And i dont know the exact answer, officialy, the only thing that we have is the Norwegian tender pdf (supercruise, 250 NM, 8 AAM´s) but those numbers could mean an awfull lot of diferent things. But i have this idea that with the “bingo” configuration (4 BVRAAM, internal fuel only) at the right altitude, wouldnt be surprised if the correct answer would be “untill the fuel runs out” or pretty close to that. One thing that i´ve seen mentioned by Spanish Pilots is that they have to be bloody careful with the aircraft because easily it goes supersonic. There was a joke that the amount of complains about broken windows around Getafe circa 2004/2005 was enormous.
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Not that I know about. Evaluation and qualification is done by the WTD61 at Manching and as Laage AB is almost daily visited by spotters I’m sure someone would have spotted it if the helmet was worn. But I’ll ask someone who might know this for sure. Could take a few days before I get an answer.
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Thanks.
The first 25 MICAs were delivered in 1999, but actually most of the MICA fleet is quite young. Also, a lot more MICA RF have been delivered than the initial target of 370 missiles.
125 MICA RF delivered in 1999-2001
415 MICA RF delivered in 2005-2008
–> Total 540 MICA RF310 MICA IR delivered in 2004-2008
260 MICA IR remaining for delivery from 2009 onwards
–> Total 570 MICA IRhttp://www.senat.fr/rap/a03-076-7/a03-076-72.html
http://www.senat.fr/rap/a07-094-6/a07-094-68.html
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That first batch of 125 MICA RF will have roughly one decade when the Meteor is delivered to the Adla, i have this idea that ten years is more or less the time before the seeker and rocket have to be re-qualified. It could be a direct substituition… Or i could have got it all wrong!
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Another good news the Typhoon’s new Striker helmet is cleared now for operational use, though it will still take some month before it reaches the frontline.
Scorpion, you are probably the best person to ask this. I have this idea that a few JG73 pilots have been “playing” with the pre-series Striker, am i correct?
Another Douglas Barrie (excelent) article here:
On the fox E issue some points draw my attention :
First it seems that USAF worries at red flag or at the UAE were justified because of spectra elint capability. secondly I think we had a debate about the ability of spectra to perform finding in three dimensions recently. But the fact that the FSO can be slaved to the RWR and ajust precisely the focus to give a clear picture in the cockpit was already a clue. the SEAD role with spectra/AASM was another.
It is not the first this info has been posted but it seems that the UAE are really pushing meteor integration because I don’t think that the french air force expected to deploy any meteor operationnaly befaore 2015.
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/dae/sponsors/sponsor_rafale/img/fox3_14.pdf
There might be another aspect to the Meteor “fast track” integration, when will expire the seekers and engines of oldest batches of MICA?
If i am not mistaken the first delivered MICA´s are “quite” old, aint they?
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Such as pretending that the sensors on the EF can detect and track the F 35 (I suppose at meaningfull distances, because at 10 miles, it probably does…)?
Or pretending that it can “supercruise” at 1.2M, only to see (at the Norway tender) that the real number is 1.05 M?
Dynamo
You have choosen the wrong person…
I have been to Moron (once), i have been in Monte Real (several times), i have talked to pilots who have faced the Typhoon, and i have talked to pilots who flew the Typhoon. It doesnt do mach 1.2, at the bingo altitude/weight/drag, it does quite a bit more.
ps- I am just an aviation “aficionado”, if there´s someones there with hard data that contradicts me, i am more than happy to be proven wrong.
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LOL.
Companies like Eurofighter GmbH NEED to publish false data in order to HOPE for further sales of their aircraft.
What false date did Eurofighter GMBH released?
And of course that an Air Force willing to spend Billions of Euros in “metal tubes” wont validate the performance data of those same “flying tubes”…
Right.
SH left the Swiss competition before it even started. Boeing made the rather unusual step of recommending to the Swiss to go for Gripen… I may remember wrongly but I think Boeing said that SH was “too technically advanced” for the needs of Switzerland… would have been interesting to know what the Swiss actually said to Boeing that made them leave the competition…
Tight budget, stringent dynamic performances (time to height) and small caverns?
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It may not be twin engine by choice but more so because the single engine M88-2 would not provide sufficient thrust. So why make your non-availability of choices appear like an eligibility for higher price.
The customer may not have required a twin enginned fighter if one was powerful enough.
What was the western aircraft engine that could deliver 15+ ton in the end of the nineties?
The F119. Would a 10 ton fighter equiped with one single F119, built at the rate of 14 units a year, be cheaper than the Dassault Rafale?
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Me too, Sintra. Perhaps, the Swiss Air Force fears that Saab will have to face a hard future?
Hello Skw
Havent seen you in DB. Thats one interesting theory, it might very well true… But well, lets wait.
After Korea, Singapore and the Neederlands technical evaluations I am curiously waiting to see J*******o arguments this time to countradict, as usual, official or tangible sources.:D
Arthuro
With Switzerland, Brasil and the UAE this MIGHT be Rafale´s year. Fingers crossed.
Cheers 🙂
ps- I was expecting a swedish victory on this one…
Otaku
Thats a hell of a photo! Thanks.
Does this discussion never end?
Twist and Spin! :p
Cheers 🙂