2) Net centric/networked capability and Gripen beats Rafale here, too.
No, FAB wont use any variant of TILDS, Link 16, Link 22, whatever. They are going to use a EMBRAER proprietary data link, the integration of this system was mandatory to all the participants. This levels the field.
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My sources there says french pilots score is amazing.. ๐
Tell that to Jg73… ๐
To think a 4 year old could type about the things I have, shows how stupid you are, U LOST !!!!!!!!!!!!!:D:D
More like 11 years old with a dreadfull atitude problem.
When you stated thagt Skvall is “unguided” that should be the FIRST tell-tail sign you are the blind leading the blind,:D:D:D
Is there ANY evidence that the putative Shkval 2 has entered service?!
Yes, they have risen since then and again fallen down, just like everything else. Quite frankly, I think cars were equally expensive back in 2001 than they are now.. Why not aircraft?
Dont even compare, the inflation rate for weapon systems is astonishing. There was a Rand Study (a 400 pages beast) from 2001 (if i remember right) and they compiled numbers from the USAF for severall decades. The acquisition inflation was a whooping 10% by year! And the rest of the world follows a similar trend.
Notice that AESA was funded mainly to provide enough range to make good use of the Meteor missile. As any foreign customer of the Rafale would definately get the Meteor at some point. It was not just to add range for the sake of adding range.
Nic
Libya?!
Somehow i do have some doubts on that… ๐
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Sintra, when did US work on this monstrosity? Late 80’s?
Late eighties.
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This isn’t a delta wing at all. It’s cranked arrow wing.
Did it ever went to prototype phase, or remained just on blueprints?
It stayed firmly on blueprints. But it was a very serious design, MDC and the American Government tried has hell to sell this “Hornet 2000” to Germany and/or GB.
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Scorpion, USS and Roy

More here:
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1988/1988%20-%200208.html
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Is that why everyone is lined up at Dassault’s door to buy them? :p
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4) Dare2 has been banned (and I, for one, won’t replace him)…
Erakis
Was he? To be honest, my “ignition” prediction was based on the assumption that our daring forumer colegue would be around… My bad.
Blimey! Another calm afternoon at the Key publishing forum.
On the rest of your text, where do i sign?
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Well, i can imagine that this (http://www.combataircraft.net/reports/rafale.php) will, well… “ignite” the discussion? :diablo:
Just a delta with rear fins could perhaps be as good as Euro canard-deltas.
Youยดve never seen the original Version IV of the Hornet 2000? It was a delta canard version of the Hornet offered to the Eurofighter partners in the begining of the nineties.
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I daresay, the suggestion made by Roylarson could have some merit. No need for flanker wings – but something with a greater sweep and the additional thrust (which is a HUGE amount more) would do a grand job; wing area be damned. Hmm, does Boeing have any spies on this forum – Scoot are you paying attention? :dev2:
JMT
USS.
Increase the sweep, the wing area, add canards and call it the “Hornet 2000″… Dejรก vu? Iยดl get my coat… ๐ฎ
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Well, the USA reneged on its undertakings once before, hence the fuss a few years ago. Perhaps it’s now reneged on what was agreed in 2007, though since the exact terms (i.e. what we were supposed to get access to) remain secret, one can’t be sure.
We should never have got involved. ๐ I don’t know how good a Super Harrier could have been, or how much it would have cost, but either it, or a catapult-launched non-US fighter, looks as if it may have been a better option for the RN. Maybe Italy & Spain could have been persuaded to join a Super Harrier project, using Harrier systems (e.g. Blue Vixen) initially. But probably not.
I wonder what would have happened if the UK had tried to interest the other Eurofighter partners in a Replica Eurofighter? The latter could have been just an airframe development project, wrapped around Eurofighter engines & systems. Ah well, too late now.
Swerve
Too late indeed. After spending the best part of three billion US$ in the JCA development program, the British Def Minister who had the balls to walk out of this program with the argument “the American didnt gave us the source codes” would have those same “balls” torn out by the media/Chancellor of the Exchequer/Prime Minister (pick your choice).
Gordon Brown – “What? If that was so important why havent we demanded a signed contract?”
Bob Ainsworth – “We thought of the idea, but, well,… mmmmmmm, ah, right… It wasnt me… :o”