EADS is a integrated compagny, franco german, that ums build in germany change nothing, they could build it in romania, as Dassault build falcons in USA, as the first A320 build in china will not be “chinese”, or the ford focus “english”

First EADS it´s a German, French AND SPANISH company, and what was the part of the “EADS Deutschland GmbH” that you didn´t understood?

Hehe, everytime I see that pic it makes me wonder what number 10 and 12 are… all the others correspond to a real aircraft I can identify.

10- Soko Galeb

12- ?!

If an article says one thing, & the manufacturer claims less, I believe the manufacturer. The figure in the article is either a misprint, or confusion by the author (but I find that unlikely, from Bill Sweetman), or an editing error.

To be honest i too find that weirdo, Bill his a dam good journo (with some very strong opinions), it´s not the kind of professional that makes such a typo…

I don’t think the number of TRMs in the F-22 is officially 1500. I’ve seen various figures, & that’s the lowest. Also, it’s possible that the TRMs available when it went into production have been supplanted by smaller ones.

A figure of 1424 was published in 2006 by airpower.at, which has long seemed to have very good sources of information about anything German or Austrian. It was calculated from examining pictures of the CAESAR array, & using the known arrangement of TRMs, their known size (mentioned in the article), & the known diameter of the array.
http://www.airpower.at/news06/0922_captor-e/index.html
Euroradar have never confirmed the figure, but a spokesman did say that is in the range they were looking at. Official announcements (by EADS Defence Electronics at ILA 2006) have said that the final configuration had not been decided on, but would be between 1000 & 2000. The exact number in the CAESAR test array has not been revealed.

Selex are currently using rather larger standard TRMs in its radars, 100x15x5 mm – according to this story – http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=3917635 I don’t know if that is accurate. Those for CAESAR are supplied by EADS, from their works at Ulm.

The definitive CAPTOR-E may have a face which is both angled, & gimballed, giving a larger area. It also gets round the off-axis problem of a fixed AESA array.

Rafale has a smaller nose than Typhoon, & a figure of 1100 TRMs has been floating around for a while. From this picture that looks credible.

Anyone fancy counting ’em, & doing an estimate for the covered part of the array?

Russian modules are big.

864 MMICS

:rolleyes:

Sweet Jesus

Would you believe a direct 2008 quote from Mig?

Here you go, the ILA 2008 Mig Brochure: http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=162904

And how many direct statements in Russian directly from Mig and Phazotron do you want me post? I can get a few dozens of them… All from 2008.

And NO, the ferking P2E it´s not directly connected with an AESA antena on the Phoon, i have changed too many mails with the (quite comprehensive) folks at selex to know that Industry offered the dam AESA set for 2012, if they can deliver that´s another question, and an even bigger question his if the four partners and the Saudis will want the antenna in 2012, the RAF has spent so much praise on the CAPTOR that anything related with CAESAR gets an annoyed look in the British MOD. “Why do you need an AESA set when the original radar was so wonderful?”

But i am more than willing to bet that there will be full sqn´s worth of AESA equiped “Phoon´s” before any mig variant get´s the IOC with an active ZHUK antena

Please read that issue of DTI. I posted the image its legible please read it as well. It was done in Ocotber 2008 a year after Aero India. Also note that the 300 Km range was the range for the production radar not the one displayed at Aero India.

I have read DTI for has long has it was made available in the internet, that´s a long time (more or less :)), and that includes the 2008 October issue, if you look at AW defense Blog ARES, you will find that i am a usuall comentator.
The 300 km range was a 2006 Phazotron claim against a “high rcs” target, that means something between a Lockheed Hercules and an Airbus 380.
The latest numbers for the AESA Zhuk coming from Phazotron (late 2008) are “200km´s” against a fighter sized aircraft (3 sqm´s).(http://translate.google.pt/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.missiles.ru%2FAESA_ph_5.htm&sl=ru&tl=en&hl=pt-PT&ie=UTF-8).

> 1400 😮 Just how big is the Tiffy’s nose/antenna dia? I can understand size reductions in TRMs but that sounds incredible. IIRC, the F-22, which is a larger a/c has about 1500 trm. Captor antenna (70cm) doesn’t seem to be bigger than Apg-79/73 (71cm). The Zhuk-M is stated around 68cm or even 70 cm.

Under the circumstances, its hard to believe that on a similar sized array, the Captor will have 300 extra TRM! My guess would be close to that of Apg-79 ~ 1100 TRM. They are hoping to get 1064 TRM on the Zhuk iirc.

Btw, does anybody have numbers on the RBE-2 antenna size? IIRC, the RDY was close to 650mm.

USS.

I have a Brasilian friend who actually counted the exact numbers of MMICS in the RBE2 AESA set!
867 MMICS.
He used this photo:

Cheers

Well, you seems to beleive that developping an “MMIC” antenna means that you develop a whole AESA radar system, AMSAR was to put comps together to develop comun MMIC knoledges, wich is 15% part of a full AESA radar system!
UMS is deveopping GaN and GaS MMIC, and got nothing british in it, its a THales EADS comp, 75% french, claiming that APG79 is 3 years old is as ridiculous as claiming Thales AESA history started on a Falcon in 2003, in fact 80% of the AESA system knoledge for the RBE2 started in 1986 , and far before in the USAF case, Raytheon got no advice to get from anyone around the planet on this matter!

Why Captor-E? or ERC90-E? isn’t an achievement? because it share only the antenna with its most advanced competitors, as an ad hoc stuff, when LM updated the F16 52 to 60, they no only changed the antenna at cheap cost!

regards

PS; i’ve found this on another site

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/dae/articles/communiques/FighterCostFinalJuly06.pdf

The average unit procurement cost of fighter aircraft produced in the NATO area is $112.43 million,
and varies in a ratio of almost 3 to 1 from $62.1 million for a Dassault Rafale C, $ 68 for a JAS Gripen,$118 million for an Eurofighter to $177.6 million for a Lockheed F-22A.

United Monolithic Semiconductors his owned by THALES and EADS Deutschland GmbH, each of them accounts for 50% of the company…

http://www.ums-gaas.com/shareholders.php