Taking an angle grinder to an intact aircraft is a good way to attract visitors and generate support for your museum ??:confused:
Be lucky
David
All I am trying to say is that where it was wasnt accessible to the public as was on the live part of the airfield, however the reasoning was that at least this way people could crawl over it and it would be indoors. Like you guys I felt it should be kept complete and we were able to bundle a deal together it time…
Like XM692 said before – dont shoot the messenger! :p
Jon
Heck, dont shoot the messenger….. read the article yourself.
You decide folks… preservation or _____ ? 😡
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Sorry Dave wasnt meant that way – not managed to get a copy of this months mag yet! 🙂
Yeh, and i can’t believe in this day & age they chucked an original Pou in the bin 😮
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Have they or has something been misunderstood along the line? I only ask as when I went in early June there was a flea undergoing what looked like a rebuild. Afraid I didnt get a proper picture (the B17 model drew my eye more – sorry!) of it as such but you can make some of it out on the left of this picture.
As for the museum and their policies, whilst not necessarily conventional by other peoples standards from my experience all they are trying to do is what they can to help draw more visitors. The Prince was going to be moved inside as it was felt no one wanted her now and at least this way something rather than nothing would survive. Once I got in touch and mooted the idea of selling her I found them very helpful and glad she was going to a new home.
Jon
if someone has a Prince maintenance manual, there will be information under “leading particulars”….
as most are able to discern, there are two different main gears in the Prince/SeaPrince/Pembroke/President series… single wheel and twin wheel, and of the twin wheel there are two different wheels which share the same tyre… and these tyres are made from “unobtanium”….
hope this is of help…
Ah maintenance manuals – if anyone has any Prince ones that I could acquire off them please get in touch. Its very very very early days yet but based on initial inspection i think we could get up back to ground running 😉
As for those unobtanium tyres, would the same apply to hubs?
Jon
Afternoon all!
Having had a series of discussions over the past week or so I am tickled pink to announce that The Jetstream Club have formally offered to take G-AMLZ under their wing. She will remain at Millom for now with a view to bringing her back to Speke next Easter (subject to the Marriot hotel agreeing).
So to all those people who have offered to make a donation over the past few days I can now tell you who to make them to and where to send them. 🙂 For the time being its cheques and postal orders only (until such time as PayPal on website can be updated) and they should be payable to “The Jetstream Club” and sent to the club treasurer –
Rob Taylor
69 Knaresborough Road
Wallasey
Merseyside
CH44 2BQ
Can I please please please ask people to make it VERY clear their donation is for G-AMLZ so that it can be ring fenced from other projects. Otherwise it will go into G-ANCF, G-JMAC and G-SEXY!
Regards,
Jon
I’m sure Bill won’t mind me posting these pics from saturday… I’m sure Jon has a stack more.
How rude!!! Bill took a picture of the team and I am not on it!! 😉
Jon,
Give yourself 5 mins to pat YOURSELF on the back – oh and dont neglect the missus!
ATB
TT
What do you think I spent the rest of the weekend doing 😉 On Saturday I set out at 6am and didnt get back until 10:30pm!
Its also why I still have to provide a proper update of whats happened and the way forward – dont worry though its all good 🙂
Jon
The more I hear, the less I believe it!
They are building a new hangar, presumably to get more exhibits in, and dont build one big enough for a whole Prince! Bonkers.
Filling the tyres with concrete! It just gets worse.
Thank heavens Jon saved the thing before they came up with any more good ideas!
Bruce
New hangar is not for the museum but for the commercial aspect of the airfield.
I wont mention what the intended plan for the tail section was then Bruce as might send you over the edge…….
Jon
Just remembered one of the little things I was chuffed to find on MLZ at the weekend.
Sadly I forgot to take a picture but when I climbed into the luggage compartment in the back end to undo some bolt I was amazed to find original tail prop for when she was on the ground still in the mounting brackets. Daft I know but nice to have all the same. 😀
Jon
To attempt to preserve her on site
by cutting her tail off smacks of desperation – maybe to inflate her tyres and move her out of the hangar’s way would have been one option – alterrnatively by removing her wings you could have reduced her storage needs.
The tyres have been subject of an earlier attempt to spruce her up – a 2″ square was cut in the tops of each one with a grinder and then filled with concrete…… We took the 2 mains off to make life easier when retracting the gear and they required craning onto the wagon they are that heavy! In fact that is probably the first thing I need to hunt down – new tyres and hubs.
A wing would have been removed this week for sure however it would have been with a grinder and just outboard of the engine nacelle. This would again have been to aid insertion into the museum.
Finally, are there any air atlantique guys around? I know at some point in the past they have been donated a spare main u/c leg and some tyres 😉
Jon
A massive pat on the back and a big thankyou for saving this aircraft. If I ever bump into you remind me to buy you a very large drink! 😀
I have to admit I never expected to get so many pats on the back as I have. Very flattered but all I did was be stubborn and refuse to give up on her. Still, its nice to think that at the tender age of 28 I have done my bit to help save an important airframe 🙂
From my point of view the ones that should get all the praise are Bill, Brian, Mike, Ken, Gerry, Druid and Tommy the wagon driver who at very short notice gave up their Saturday to come to the aid of MLZ. They are the boys that really deserve the drink 😉
Finally I would like to thank the boys at RAF Millom for being so supportive and allowing us to store MLZ there for now.
Jon
To answer the earlier question, there is still another Prince 2A in California.. also worth saving and in far better condition than MLZ.. N206UP in Van Nuys.
For the new owner, please PM me if you have need of spares sources in USA.. we have two complete Pembrokes and lots of parts…
I have to admit I was not aware of the California example until Friday!! However given N206UP is a 2A and LZ is a 6E can still claim it as being unique!
What is happening with N206UP these days? Any pictures of her?
As for the spares offer – let me make an initial assessment now we have secured her and will be in touch. 🙂
Jon
May I add my support to Jon and to all the others who have stepped in to save this aircraft.
May I also pour scorn on the museum at Caernarfon, who, having realised they no longer wanted the aircraft, started breaking it up, rather than offer it to other organisations. Having had approaches over the past 2-3 years to save the aircraft, they knew it could be moved on, but instead chose to begin the scrapping process. Absolutely unbelievable.
Bruce
It wasnt being scrapped.
Something had to be done asap and they decided it would make a welcome addition inside their museum, but she had to be reduced in size to fit.
Jon
Fantastic work Jon and well done to all at the eleventh hour..!!
Echoing Scots comment about the Shack’ nose, what else remains at this museum and is it under threat also ?
Was just the Prince under threat. Everythign else is either inside the museum or out of harms way.
Jon
Just a question when I was looking at Jon’s photos..
If they are needing to move the Prince, how’s the future looking for Camlobe’s cockpit section? I know it has sat in the open for a few years already, but if it is going to be preserved, you’d have thought a tarpaulin over it might have been a good idea at the least…
Good work Jon by the way!
Scotty
Mr Rusty is fine where he is as not in the way of the new hangar – the Prince was slap bang in the middle!