while b2 may not be optimized for low level flight, northrop did change the shape of the wing/body quite a bit once the requirement for low level flight was added by pentagon (on top of previous requirements). So low level flight capability is certainly there and is not just an afterthought. I guess one could discuss the level of the optimization for low level flight but i fear we simply don’t have enough information available for such a discussion.
it doesn’t need to be one or the other situation. there may well be both a supersonic striker and a subsonic bomber in the future. that depends on money, of course, but IF the money is there, then pla’s needs may require both platforms. Of course, the supersonic one is then likely to be smaller, not a true bomber. But as requirement creep and technology subsystem creep go on, it’s also likely to be quite a bit bigger than jh7. Probably around 50-ish tons. Perhaps even larger if the subsonic companion is a 100+ ton bomber. Of course, i’m talking about mtow here. Now, one could go the high tech route and include supercruise and the kitchen sink in that supersonic striker. That’d be the USAF way to do it. But so far the chinese solutions seem to be gearing more like the 80% capability solution for 50% pricetag. So i’d expect a bomber stealthy from the frontal sector, no supercruise but decent 1.8 mach cruise with afterburner and enough own fuel to reach 1500 km with decent internal payload, 200 km of which would be supersonic.
Subsonic bomber would be geared towards full, maximum stealth and range. Probably even trading payload for range, in certain missions. (maybe like b1 does with its bomb bays being reconfigurable as tanks?) Anything under 4000 km combat radius range would be inadequate in my opinion.
No one can tell for sure. Since other projects like j-20, j-31 or Lijian ucav just appeared out of nowhere (aside from rumors), it is likely the next bomber will follow that pattern. So theoretically we might see photos of bomber prototype being rolled out tomorrow. Or we might see it in 5 years or 10 years time.
Rumors do exist, of course. Allegedly, a subsonic flying wing is in works. Size unknown, but people are assuming at least as big as H6, if not bigger. What is also possible is that jh7 will also get a replacement (that it will not be replaced by j16). If that happens, we also might see a prototype of a supersonic light bomber/striker. Timeframe also unknown. Probably not within the next year or two.
Later than 2024/2025 would possibly make lrs-b lag behind pak-da service entry date by an unacceptable margin. Plus there’s always the Chinese which may surprise and suddenly show a bomber protoype taxiing by 2019 or so, also making service entry date around 2024/2025 possible. It’d look pretty bad politically if US got their next gen bomber ready later than competitors, however technologically advanced it may be.
t-50 may have certain metrics larger than f-22, but volume wise i’d say f-22 is a bit bigger. RA materials also add weight, so if f-22 uses them more than pak-fa, weight difference wouldn’t be unexpected. While the figures are rough and guesstimates, i’d say we’re getting closer to real weights of pak-fa.
also important to note that total load given is really meaningless. 18 tons for f-22? It’s never going to carry such a heavy load. 8.2 tons internal fuel, plus a few more tons of external fuel for ferry missions… Actual load wise, i fail to see when f-22 is going to have take off weight greater than 33ish tons for a ferry mission and greater than 31ish tons for combat missions. Even if one tried to carry both external fuel and armamaments – it shouldn’t really go over 35ish tons overall.
Same applies to pak-fa. Even if it can carry 3 tons of weapons internally, with external stores and fuel it shouldn’t really go over 15-ish tons of load, on top of empty weight.
Does anyone have number estimates of planes in russian service for every flanker type in active duty?
estimates are dime a dozen, so here’s mine:
125-ish Su27s/p
50-ish su27ub
50-ish su27sm
12 su27sm3
8 su30m2
16 su30sm
40 su34
34 su35
Plus maybe upward of half a dozen worth of various test articles, su30, su27m and such?
(that’s not counting prototypes of su35 and su34)
edit: plus 15 su33
that’s a bit optimistic timetable. means they plan to achieve ioc around 2025. both b-2 and b-1 had much more protracted testing phases. Even if we use tu-160 as a proper example, back when money was relatively bountiful, it took 6 years from first flight to IOC, (same as 6 years from 2019 to 2025) but that was almost 40 years earlier. It has become pretty much standard for testing of all types of planes to last longer since then.
Realistically i’d say IOC around 2026-2027. Which would still put it more or less at around same time as USAF’s new bomber. And if LM gets the job, then PAKDA is sure to be finished earlier anyway. 😀
i wager they’re aiming at 150-200ish ton mtow plane, basically a next gen b767. if some preliminary work has been done and funding can begin in earnest next year, entry into service might be as early as 2025. Or, with delays, closer to 2030.
So that 52 was actually in active service the whole time? in 2010 and 2012 and now in 2013 after repair? So despite its worn out looks it is actually an image of an active duty plane that is fit to fly?
what proof is there that’s the very same 52, before and after, since there can be as many planes with the same bort as there are different regiments/aviation groups ?
assuming it is the same plane, which plane is it? a recently renovated su27ub that was not flying for years/decade?
A bit of offtopic, hope no one minds. Is there some international FSB crackdown going on concerning websites trying to detail ruaf (and army and navy) orbat? First it was scramble.nl removing even their “hidden” Ruaf webpage (supposedly under construction) and now warfare.be seems to have gone offline for good. I would understand it if were russian websites, but these operated abroad… Is it just a coincidence that two such webpages went down, for weeks now?
um, ria novosti claimed russian MoD said: “planned 14 su34 for 2014 and 16 for 2015” i haven’t seen any plans for 2016 and later. that was back in october 2013.
unless these plans changed http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2012annual_psr/WERTH.pdf
f35 is planned to have sidewinders integrated for external use only, from block 3 configuration, planned for 2017 onwards. I don’t know if the dates have slipped a bit.
rear surfaces are sticking out more, perhaps 30-40 cm more. but fuselage itself seems more or less the same, so fuel volume may remain similar.
canopy change was already discussed. potential reasons may be different and safer ejection procedure (reason listed for f35) though i personally think weight savings could also be non-negligable.