I haven’t hear costs mentioned yet, but that might be rather academic if the question is “Can we afford not to have such a system?”

It will almost certainly be expensive, and we all know who will foot the bill. But as you say, better with than without. It’s a pity we don’t have any research and development in this country, to build our own. However, I think it would be in the americans interest, as well as our own, not to make it prohibitively expensive, if they want to sell it. One problem I see with a system such as this though, is it’s reliance on satellite technology. If the enemy found a way to destroy the Ballistic missile tracking satellites, the system may possibly become ineffectual, but that’s looking at it in simplistic terms.
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I suppose that depends on who ‘we’ and ‘us’ are?

yes, I guess that’s the overriding factor in any defensive system. Assuming though, that this anti missile system has been shown to work, in computer simulations, it may not be such a bad thing. After all, we would be very foolish not to have a system in place, that at the very least, offers some protection from total annihilation.
I think it’s a good idea to have a system like this, because it would show the enemy, that his Nuclear ballistic missiles may not get through, while ours most certainly would.
Unless of course, he had a similar system, in which case the better of the two systems would prove the most effective. It may well be, that the final test of this technology, may not be a computer simulation.
Nothing new in this though, it’s all part of mankind’s development.
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FREEDOM IS THE PROBLEM
Steve

Yes I agree, this is the problem, to much freedom to do what one likes, especially in the classroom. I agree, the parents in many cases, are the cause of problem children. So if the parents can’t discipline their children properly, then school is the best place to reinstate this lost discipline. However as you know, schools are no longer allowed to discipline children, like they used to back in the 60’s. This is because the nanny state has ruled,that discipline of a psychological or physical nature, harms children. Which in my view, is the biggest load of codswallop one could possibly imagine. I don’t know how this came about, but I guess it was as a result of some psychological studies, by so called child experts. So this is what we are up against, and now we are reaping the fall out from all this. So I hope you can see, that the interfering nanny state is a source of present day problems.
How on earth we will ever resolve this problem is any body’s guess, the damage has been done.

Therefore if you want to avoid anarchy, your attitude has to be ‘I will conform,’ and by so doing setting a positive example for the young. It might be painful but it is the only approach that offers any hope of avoiding the total anarchy you fear.

Steve

Exactly.
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:confused: I have recently bought the Fratellis album (a jolly decent scottish trio). I have noticed now that I have a scottish bent. I am a big fan of Nazareth and Alex Harvey, Deacon Blue. I am extremely partial to a certain beverage produced from this fine country. I am detecting a certain leaning to our Celtic cousins. Is there some magnanimous scots lady who would like to adopt me please.
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There are Two things you can do

1. Go for an hypnotic regression session, to see if you were a scot in your past life.

2. Move to Scotland.
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If we wish to avoid anarchy, and remember that true anarchy is the absolute removal of law, and thus absolute personnal freedom, we need to start to accept giving up some of our freedom and accept that in order to function a society must have the right to regulate itself; even if sometimes that means we can’t have or do what we want as individuals.

I’m willing. Are you?

Steve.

This paragraph, perfectly exemplifies what is badly needed in Britain. Let’s get back to regulating ourselves, and get away from this European nanny state culture.
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The Human Rights Act is about basic fairness for all people.

It is about understanding the respect due to every one of us.

It is about recognising that some rights and freedoms are so important and so fundamental that they should be protected by law in civilised respectable nations.

There’s nothing in the Act that says that criminals should be treated leniently.

Nothing in there that compels you to act as a punchbag for some mindless thug.

Nothing in the Act that says we must all slavishly pander to every whim and fancy of feckless acne-ravaged chavs for fear of violating their “human rights”.

Try reading what the Act itself says – the link points to the “Articles” which are the “meat” of the Act – rather than going by what other people with an agenda try to pretend it says. I particularly recommend Articles 16, 17 and 18, which explode a number of the “myths” associated with the Act.

I’m sure that there really are people in favour of arbitrary execution, pro-torture, pro- slavery, in favour of imprisonment without trial or due process, opposed to the concept of a fair trail, against the idea of privacy and repect for family life, anti-freedom of expression, against freedom of association and in favour of discrimination.

If that is the case, then I can readily understand their dislike of the Human Rights Act because those are the issues that the HR Act addresses.

Yes we all know what the human rights law is supposed to be for, but in reality it’s misused by lawyers. The reason this country is heading for Anarchy, is simply because certain individuals have this freedom to do what they like, without fear of the law coming down HARD on them. They know their rights probably better than I know mine. I no longer feel safe, living in Britain, especially when working in London. About 35 years ago, this thought wouldn’t have entered my mind. It just shows how things have changed for the worst, and there’s no hope of it getting any better. Depressing isn’t it, but we only have ourselves to blame, for this ridiculous state of affairs. As you know, we have the worst reputation in Europe, for bringing up children correctly.
So what does that say about our society, it says things are not right. We don’t need to carry on fooling ourselves into thinking, that everything in the garden is rosy, when it obviously isn’t.
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1.Every one has a right to legal representation to be treat with respect and dignity no matter what your crime.
2.People have been coming to this country up to no good for hundreds of years.
3.As no1, people have rights,but i agree that the police and courts have thier hands tied on the subject of anti social behaviour.
4.”Discipline the young,properly”?how?by beating them or hitting them with a cane at school,yes that really worked..not.
5.You can defend yourself and if you do it” effectively “then no1 comes into effect for YOU.

1. This country has always had a fair criminal justice system, and criminals have always been treated with dignity and respect. Probably more so, than rapists and murderers give their victims.

2. Yes indeed they have, so why have a law, which makes it easier for them to carry on with their dirty work, and escape conviction.

3. Ditto.

4. School teachers should be allowed to use reasonable discipline, to control children that are badly behaved. Children need an authoritative figure, to give them guidance in good behavior, and respect. Not the other way around, where the children ” rule the roost ” so to speak, as they do these days. Back in my school days during the 60’s, things were certainly a lot different. We had a lot of respect for our teachers, and they didn’t stand for any nonsense, we certainly weren’t angels that’s for sure. No human rights law in the 60’s, we didn’t need it.

5. The human rights law, should protect me from an assailant, not the other way around. I have a basic human right, to be able to go about my business, without fear of being attacked by some moron.

Basically the human rights law, is a criminal Lawyers dream come true.
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Going from bad to worse!!

The school education system in this country, is failing in it’s duty to educate some youngsters properly. It’s all to easy for some schools, to let the ones that have problems learning, fall by the wayside. These are the kids that turn into Yobs and troublemakers. They tend to come from poor families, whose mum or dad are poorly educated themselves. This is nothing new, so why is nothing being done about it. Put simply, it’s all because of that silly ” human rights ” law.
Yes that’s right, this silly little law is responsible for the mess this country is in now. If we are not careful, this silly little law, could cause ANARCHY on the streets of Britain, in the future, and could spell trouble for the government.
This silly little law is responsible for,

1. Protecting criminals.
2. Encouraging people to come to this country, who are up to no good.
3. protecting Yobs and troublemakers.
4. Making it impossible to discipline youngsters properly.
5. Making it impossible for the average citizen, to feel they can defend themselves effectively, if attacked.

These are some of the things I can think of now, I am sure there are more.

Now you would think, that the human rights law, would be on the side of the law abiding citizen, but it quite clearly isn’t.
It’s effectively creating, an underclass of untouchables.

So what do I think of Britain 2007?