Already famous in France!

Granted.
Btw. are there any information about the chaff/flare loadout?
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And what more?
The vertical firing dispensers
You mean Karman fairing extentions behind the wings?
are for flares and it looks like the are 40 in total (if there is one flare for each “hole”). It was said the chaff dispensers were used in the M2k-5 as well and there it were 112 in total IIRC.
They have developed a new generation of Flares so i couldn’t tell you which it is, this is also asking for some research work, starting with DGA contracts…
You have to be drinking some really nasty Rafale Kool-Aid or smoking something realy nasty to think that the Rafale can carry a maximum “external ordinance, equal to the much larger F-15E“.
F-15E
MTOW: 81,000 lbs (36,741 kg)
OEW: 31,700 lbs (14,379 kg)
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MTOW – OEW: 49,300 lbs (22,362 kg) [max load capacity]
max external weapons load said to be 24,500 lbs (11,113 kg)Rafale C
MTOW: 54,013 lbs (24,500 kg)
OEW: 20,944+ lbs (9,500+ kg)
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MTOW – OEW: 33,069 lbs (15,000 kg) [max load capacity]
max external weapons load said to be 20,944 lbs (9,500 kg)F-15E MTOW – OEW = 91.3% of Rafale C MTOW…
Obviously the F-15E uses a significant amount of load capacity for fuel (2070 gal internal + 1500 gal CFT + up to 1800 gal in three 600 gal drop tanks) but no matter how you try to spin it the F-15E can carry a greater weapons load farther than the Rafale could ever dream to without tanker support.
Good, you figured this one out, now try fractions per empty weight which is also the correct way to compute it, it gives you internal fuel fraction first and is a major design point in the case of F-22/F-35.
Thanks, but what is “THE” source? Even if there is no link, where does it come from in the first place?
Source is Armee de l’Air. 😎
I find it odd that the empty weight would count autodefense missiles. But in the unlikely event that it would be true, how many missiles would that be? Just the wing tip missiles?
Nic
In the case of all Rafales; MICA IR and to tell you the truth, it is the correct way to compute a weight with weapons and fuel, at least you have your basic weight right.
I don’t remember it being much different on the IIIE exept for the Chaffs and Flares, which i have never seen on base.
So you would start with the aircraft when new, and as early as it is “dirty” you need to change to this configuration as basic weight, exactly as they do at Edward AFB, check that out…
From there, all pylons and weapons/stores weights are known values, you can figure the weight per configuration and find the right performance chart to define the mission profile from take off (standard procedure; you know espected acceleration rates and rotate speeds).
If you’re good at it, you’re going to optimise your range and performances, including in A2A after an A2G mission.
A “multirole” sensor platform would be more viable.
I mentioned first and foremost, “as useful in A2A as well as A2G”, the aircraft (Rafale) is multi-mission, thus A2A informations from a nEUROn (Through the satelite, in geostationary orbite) would be useful in this role as well, i can’t anticipate nEUROn configurations and roles though.
With all the IR/Optoric technologies developed under DGA contracts i would imagine that IF there is an Operational follow-up to nEUROn it will be fully passive and extremly discreet.
This would be a source of datas available by all platforms anyway, also every two seaters equiped with a Moustique-like cockpit could control nEUROn flights or exchange information with them like all other platform.
And about the weight in question:
10.3 T = Avion nu et vide + fluides non consommables + pilotes équipés + auto-défense (missiles et contre-mesures).
10.3 T = Naked airframe + non-useable fluids + equiped pilots + self defense AAMs (including ECM i.e. Chaff and Flares).
Source: The source. (Sorry no links here).
Which passes the data back to the Rafale as a shooter you mean?
One single short, laser emission is needed, a ComSat can be feeded with infos and retransmit to the whole network, the Demonstrator LOLA was demonstrated at the Paris Airshow, and is planned to equip major assets like SSN, Carriers, AAW Escorts, UAVs etc
What we’re looking at is the larger networked picture.
L’enjeu est d’établir, à partir de 2010, de telles liaisons entre des drones de longue endurance et la métropole. Le principal système cible est le drone d’observation Hale (Haute altitude longue endurance).
http://www.defense.gouv.fr/dga/votre_espace/presse/articles/lola_une_liaison_laser_en_premiere_mondiale
Hale UAVs are quoted as a technologic goal for this system, from 2010, with a direct liason to France.
Re: UCAV as A2A sensor, I see jamming escort as a more viable role.
You can have both on the same platform, when i was mentioning advanced forward sensors platform i didn’t mean to build a forward AWAC but a discreet sensor platform in A2A, like another Rafale.
but Greece is also in Neuron
That could be the defining factor because there is a planned path to an Operational version of nEUROn and HAI are right on the ball with this one.
Since these two systems are also planned to be complementary.
I’d like to see nEURON used as an advanced Forward Sensor platform, useful in A2A as well as A2G…
The work done by HAI was excellent and their capabilties are much welcome in the nEUROn project, they delivered early and have quiet a bit of work to do as well…
•Hellenic Aerospace Industry (HAI) is responsible for the rear fuselage, the exhaust pipe and the test rig;
http://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/defense/neuron/partners.html?L=1
Double post. Edited.
Do you have more details? I wonder who they might have in mind as a customer for the Mirages.
South America would be the logical choice although tensions and risks of conflicts might be a factor working against a deal.
The idea would be to sale defense systems not war provoking systems.
If both the UAE & Greece trade in M2Ks, there would be rather a lot seeking new users.
AdA needs spares. 😎
Nicolas10
Rank 5 Registered User Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 1,404If greece also parts with their M2Ks, we will soon reach the required numbers for MMRCA
Put back to service properly prepared and upgraded, this could actually interess India but it is forgeting the Rafale bid there…
Order for 60 Rafale
(Source: French Ministry of Defence; issued Nov. 12, 2009)
(Issued in French; unofficial translation by defense-aerospace.com)
France’s defense ministry has approved funding for the 4th Rafale production batch, and will award the contract for the 60 new aircraft by year-end. (French AF photo)French Defence Minister Hervé Morin approved, during the Nov.12 meeting of the Ministerial Committee on Investments, an order for 60 Rafale combat aircraft for the Navy and Air Force.This order, funded in the 2009 Finance Act, brings to 180 the number of Rafale on order.
As provided for in the multi-year military planning law, the delivery dates of the aircraft will be adjusted as necessary to accommodate export contracts. This ensures optimal organization of the production line, both for domestic needs and for those countries to which France has proposed a partnership in the Rafale program.
These latest aircraft will be delivered with the new active antenna radar and enhanced self-protection suite.
The contract will be awarded by the Directorate General of Armaments (DGA) before the end of the year to the main manufacturers involved in the Rafale program: Dassault Aviation, Thales, Safran and MBDA. Over a hundred companies of all sizes will also benefit from this order.
The Rafale is an omnirole aircraft designed to ensure all of the missions currently performed by different types of fighters: air defense and air superiority, ground attack, anti-ship warfare, close air support, reconnaissance, and nuclear strike.
Existing in single-seat and two-seat versions, Rafale operates from ground bases or from an aircraft carrier. It entered service with the French Navy in 2004 and with the French air force in 2006. The Rafale has been engaged in combat missions flown from the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle and in Afghanistan.
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/109786/france-approves-order-for-60-rafale.html
Good news for everyone! 😀
Would be great if you stay in the rafale threads…you and your other 10 personalities…seriously
You’re welcome to vaccate elsewhere yourself if you can’t stick to writing about aircrafts and please do not EM me.
You know me not and i certainly do not want to know you, cheers. 😎
So can anyone list up the equippment and its respective weight which leads to the basic weight for the Rafale?
You may ask, i think it was even done from standard the F-2 in a passed topic in this very forum i had pleasure to read it and save some very precious documents, one set of datas we certainly won’t have though, is the weight of 0il and fuel remaining in the aircraft empty…
Just another information people didn’t really pick up on…
From the Guardian:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/nov/12/red-arrows-woman-raf-pilot
Not a fresh news but worth a topic and sincere congratulations!
Thanks for posting this.