In any case I am sure the Rafale will have enough modules, a range increase of more than 50% should be sufficient!

http://www.defense.gouv.fr/dga/base/breves/reception_du_premier_rafale_monoplace_air

Loke, we know from the day the first AdA Rafale (n°C102) was delivered to DGA that the Squadron tactics have adapted and started to changed dramatically.

The spoke of “culture shock” at the time…

They do not use the radar they way it was done before, not even RBE2 PESA, it is all about discretion and sensor fusion, passive sensors are prefered and developed for the purpose in range and weather independency.

Cueing OSF camera using SPECTRA vs a Mirage 2000 is a good example.

No one can emit for an extended period of time without being detected and targeted with the actual system and as this article points out, there is a brand new set of sensors in the pipeline (including the PESA).

What this article is in reality is a good wake up call to what Rafale really is, not only as an aircraft but also as a system.

AESA will provide it with what Thales calls “SMART” 360*x360* EM, coverage, the IR/EO equivalent is in developement.

and nearly twice the speed of a rafale at low level

1.500 kt at sea level is a great performance really! 😀

SpudmanWP
When the F-16 is loaded with the same amount of fuel, weapons, and sensors as the F-35, the F-35 wins hands down.

When F-16 is loaded with the same amount of fuel, weapons, and sensors it is not used in the role nor configuration it was designed to be agile for.

I’d like to see F-35 make a 9.0 g turn at full TOW and compete vs a B1 for maximum load.

aurcov
You make a confusion.

No i’m not confused, the point is they beats F-22 on aerodynamics alone, put TVC on them they will smoke the Raptor on sustained whatetever bar Mach in military power.

As for TVC it doesn’t make Raptor more maneuvrable than them in non-PST flight.

Not to throw a wrench into the whole “mine is better than yours” debate, but in the show Raptors do all those maneuvers with simulated warload aboard, ie 6 dummy AMRAAMs and 2 dummy Sidewinders.

I did see this in person a couple of years ago at Edwards AFB. After the show, the F-22 taxied to it’s display space, opened the doors, and I could see the dummy loads.

It doesn’t do 11.0 g picks with two dummies though, does it?

And to be honnest the weight added to it is unlikely to make much difference and certainly not 2/3 sec over a high energy 360* at low altitude…

The whole point is; it have less wing surface a higher wingload empty and only a frationaly superior TWR.

DATE:09/11/09
SOURCE:Flight International
UAE: building an arsenal
By Stephen Trimble

A signed order for up to 60 new Rafale fighters would greatly strengthen the UAE’s ability to penetrate deep into Iranian airspace, as well as protect its own aerial borders from intrusion. The deal would also restore the geo-political balance of the UAE’s arms inventory.

For Dassault, signing a contract for the Rafale could finally break the programme’s export barrier, aggravated by near-misses to Russian or US competitors in Libya, Morocco, Singapore and South Korea. A successful deal with Abu Dhabi could pave the way for further sales in the Gulf region and elsewhere.

The road to a contract signing has so far witnessed many twists and complications, not least the status of UAE’s existing fleet of Mirage 2000-9s.

It is widely presumed the UAE will require Dassault to take back the used fleet and find them new homes. For the transfer to work politically, the 2000-9 fighters may have to be picked by another Arab state, such as Egypt or Pakistan. However, Romania is reportedly also involved in talks for the UAE’s used fighters.

The UAE also could make the Rafale sale part of its strategy to dramatically increase the capabilities of its domestic industrial base. In September, French president Nicolas Sarkozy promised Brazil local assembly for the F-X2 contract. If the UAE asks for equal treatment, Dassault could be hard-pressed to make the sums work.

Another contract hotly pursued by weapons makers is the UAE requirement
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/11/09/334462/uae-building-an-arsenal.html

We’re still in the Rafale tread are we? :confused:

That was 28°/sec sustained though. It’s instantaneous turn rate would be 30+ as well.

This is where you got lost between nose pointing and turning capabilties…

Every fighter can pull 11 G instantly

Yeah sure. Try again you know who? Fat guy, wears read, flies raindeers?

Every fighter is designed for supercuise at M 1.5 too. I know he told me. 😀

I wonder if you could post the instantaneous and sustained turn rate figures for the Rafale, Typhoon, Gripen, and F-22, so we can see how they stack up.:rolleyes:

Yeah?

1) Do you research.

2 )Don’t ask constantly for feeding. 😀

3) Then when you got the info. Post.

4) Edit the video you got then look at the frames.

5) Try pulling 11.0 g on a F-22.

Actually the TVC isn’t what makes the F-22 so maneuverable. It’s aerodynamic control surfaces alone provide the vast majority of its control authority.

In non-post-stall maneuvers F-22 flight envelop is inferior, what TVC provides F-22 with is an extenstion of surface control through this perticular porttion of the envelop.

Without, F-22 is less maneuvrable and since we’re talking turn rates appart for the very high ceilling, 50.000 ft or so it is not clear cut at all, even instantaneous turn rates are not as good…

The TVC just increases control authority when aerodynamic lift isn’t available, due to AoA, low airspeed, high altitude, etc… It’s also beneficial for supersonic trim, to reduce drag.

Agreed with that it doesn’t change facts.