Still carefuly avoiding to incluse the Mk2/-9 as a modern fighter, i ‘d chose them vs F-16 (any Block) even today, question of taste, let’s see how little agile it really is.
Démonstrateur Mirage 2000 – Edition 2008
envoyé par armee-de-l_air. – Les derniers test hi-tech en vidéo.
it would have been more interesting to read the views of someone who was used to modern, agile fighters
Jack, i’m not going to argue any longer with you, i say you are knocking down everyone who can make positive comments about the aircraft or is not having a problem about this sort of articles to be published.
I just note that you also quoted in a negative way Craig Hoyle (see above) I suppose you beat him to a flight in Typhoon too. 😎
And once Air Vice-Marshal Geoffrey Cairns (RAF test pilot), is that because one is a reputable Military Editor for F-I and the other was more than pleased with Rafale MMI?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/obituaries/article5768160.ece
That’s 3 people with perhaps from as much as tons more qualification and experience that yourself, that you gladely riped in to pieces because they have, did, or could deny you the pleasure of the usual Rafale bashing.
So forgive me for having the arrogance and lack of courtesy to loose interest in your replies.
These writers have enough credential for people to trust their jugements, they do not need to quote you to make their points. 😉
I do not, as you put it: “pretend be anywhere near” Pete Collins’ “qualifications to give an expert opinion”.
I didn’t imply you were; what i clearly implied though, was that you are not qualified to make the comments you did about Peter Collins ability to give a professional opinion even so he haven’t been flying the Typhoon.
But I do say that there are others (though I am not one of them) who could have given an even more useful and informed opinion.
Well they didn’t fly this test did they?
But it is about relevant experience, and the point here is that it would have been more interesting to read the views of someone who was used to modern, agile fighters,
Because a Mirage 2000 which you mentioned as one of the types he flew doesn’t qualifies as modern, agile fighter but a F-16MLU does? :rolleyes:
with modern, glass cockpits than someone who retired from frontline fast jet flying in the late 1980s, and from military flying more than 15 years ago.
From where we are standing the 2000 Mk2/9 posseses features even the Eurofighter Typhoon doesn’t; such as 5th generation IT Core System architecture and Interferometric ECMs, which as opposed to what you wrote in this forum once, are inherited from Rafale and not the other way around.
A pilot whose frontline experience was of Harrier GR3 and Sea Harrier FRS1. (Neither of which are exactly comparable to a modern fighter in Rafale’s class).
He still flew a type which qualifies as modern fighter and even the Gripen which is not in Rafale class does and as a qualified flight-test pilot, his job it to analyse and report accurately.
Without much effort, Flight could have found an ex-RAF pilot with experience of the F-16MLU and Typhoon, and such a pilot would have been able to make much more interesting comparisons.
F-16MLU doesn’t have the Mirage 2000 Mk2/9 systems, only some types are fitted with AESA which the Typhoon doesn’t posses either btw.
someone who has not flown another advanced Gen 4 fighter is a less convincing and less powerful statement that I’d have expected.
This is about knocking down someone who’s experience is far superior than yours pretending he doesn’t have the experience which is also innacurate.
If you’re road-testing one of today’s Formula 1 cars, of course it’s better to have a 1980s rally driver (Collins) than an ordinary driver of private cars, but it would be better still to find someone who has actually driven formula one cars.
It’s not about road racing, it’s about flight-testing and as a qualified flight-test pilot he can have a proper idea of what he is writing, even so he never flew the typhoon he certainly might know tons more about its real capabilties than you do.
Now, since you are a Typhoon “specialist” and you now know that T2 Typhoons are heavier, could we have their new empty weight please?
I’m sure you know where to ask. 😀
14F lis CA et renvois a pascal, il nous les broute a justifier les accusation de xenophobie et nationalisme qui nous frappent a tours de bras.
Aux Francais.
Y’a des nazes sur terre…
Vu les commentaires en cours sur certain forums, je me demande si ca vaut le coup qu’un pilote d’essai et de combat dote d’une experience assez rare pour etre soulignee, quelque soit sa nationalite, ne donne son opinion si des qu’elle est positive est suspectee d’avoir un lien quelconque avec des intentions non avouees.
C’est tout simplement degeulasse.
Si on continue a cracher dans la soupe, on va non seulement passer pour des cons mais aussi perdre le peu de support qu’on peut trouver au Royaume Uni, il y a des gens dans ce pays qui savent reconnaitre les qualitees de cet avion et sont assez passiones pour faire abstraction du fait qu’il ait ete dessine et concu en France.
Peter Collins s’est vraiment eclate a voler sur le Rafale.
Ouais, il a vraiment l’air de s’etre emmerde…
It’s well obvious that you go into the defensive.
What is OBVIOUS is that you’re on with your well known “I didn’t write it” trick.
As i said accuracy is something else than grammar and i ask YOU again; you are most welcome to stop twisting words on other’s mouth.
Aux Francais.
Y’a des nazes sur terre…
Vu les commentaires en cours sur certain forums, je me demande si ca vaut le coup qu’un pilote d’essai et de combat dote d’une experience assez rare pour etre soulignee, quelque soit sa nationalite, ne donne son opinion si des qu’elle est positive est suspectee d’avoir un lien quelconque avec des intentions non avouees.
C’est tout simplement degeulasse.
Si on continue a cracher dans la soupe, on va non seulement passer pour des cons mais aussi perdre le peu de support qu’on peut trouver au Royaume Uni, il y a des gens dans ce pays qui savent reconnaitre les qualitees de cet avion et sont assez passiones pour faire abstraction du fait qu’il ait ete dessine et concu en France.
Peter Collins s’est vraiment eclate a voler sur le Rafale.
Ouais, il a vraiment l’air de s’etre emmerde…
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