the poster on LEMB referred to Ju88c‘s being involved in something called “Laufend Nachtjagdeinsatz” which I believe roughly translates to constant night fighting?
kev35
HI Kev,
I´m back at it with my very limited knowledge 😮 The comment on LEMB regards the Ju-88C which was a Zerstörer, a term that might be loosely translated as “Destroyer”, and was applied by the Germans to heavy fighters/fighter bombers. The Bf-110 was also called a Zerstörer right from the start of the war. The difference between a Zerstörer and a normal Ju-88 bomber was the substitution of the glazed nose with a solid gun pack nose. There were not very many of them in service on the date of your incident!
The most numerous Ju-88 in service at the time of your incident would have been the BOMBER version Ju-88A4 which was a fully fledged bomber.
I´d say that the first thing to do is to track down the Luftwaffe Order of Battle for the period in question. Given the time of the incident, it is reasonable to assume that a lot of Luftwaffe units would have been deployed to the East, so you´d need to know what units were left in the west and what aircraft they operated. For this the Order of Battle is just perfect! When you know what units were in the west, you can start investigating individual units (and they will not be many, that are capable of carrying a 1000kg bomb!).
If no one comes up with the Order of Battle (in the west) for June 1941, I´ll have a look through my books when I get home in 4 weeks time and see what I´ll find. I´m sure I have this somewhere, I remember how the book looks like but can´t remember the title!:eek::D:D
Hi Kev,
The Luftwaffe certainly used 1000 kg. bombs at that time in the war. There were two designations that I can think of right now, the SB 1000 and the SC 1000. They were carried on underslung pylons on both the Heinkel He 111 and the Junkers Ju 88. Not much help there I´m afraid.
A Classic PIO (Pilot Induced Oscillation). Even in gusty crosswind there is no reason to end up like that unless you are behind the curve!
I would tend to think that most airfields/airports around the world have an example of this sort. Sometimes the “garbage” is in plane view, othertimes it is hidden behind/inside something like a hangar. I´ve certainly come a cross a few examples on my wanderings around. At the end of the day, Darwin is working his mysterious ways.
I´ll not comment on this particular airframe, as I´ve never seen it or spoken to the owners.
However, the most common reason for airframes being abonded is lack of funds to have a replacement for a failing engine(an engine change that might outstrip the value of the aeroplane two times), a massive corrosion problem that will render repairs uneconomical etc. etc. Each airframe is different.
I know of one Socata TB-10 that is going the same route as the aircraft descriped above. It was built in 1987, so is not THAT old in GA circles. In it´s last annual inspection it was found to have cronic corrosion in the wing spar. Socata gave a quote for designing a repairsceme of 3000 Euros, then you had to buy special materials (from them only!), pay for the installation and all that comes with it. This aircraft has now been put out to pasture, the engine will be removed as it is only about half live, all instruments will be removed along with radios, and all useable spares will be sold off. It will certainly end up like the hulk descriped by the OP.
The final blow will come when the airport decides it is an eye-sore and sells it off to the scrapman and the owners are just happy to be rid of it. It is a sad story, but that´s how it goes in GA
Not seen the film “Reach for the Sky” about Bader then J.B ;):D:D
It is a direct quote from the movie and goes:
Never, NEVER, call it a plane, it´s an Aeroplane :p
One of the more significant aircraft to be found in the museum is the Campini Caproni. The information boards refer to this as the first jet aircraft in the world, but in my view it is a sort of half way house between a jet and a piston. It used a piston engine to drive ducted fans inside the fuselage to compress air that was then mixed with fuel and ignited to create the expansion of air for propulsion.

In this frontal shot, the first stage of the ducted fan is visible
A better view of the front fan
Inside the fuselage looking forward. With all these tubing in the airflow, it must have been quite turbulent flow in there.
The tailcone
I´m guessing this to be the spraybar for the fuel in the aft part of the fuselage.
Another very interesting exhibit on show was the fuselage of a Junkers J-4 armoured ground attack aircraft of WW I. I think I´m correct in saying that it is the only example to survive. It was a bit crowded around it, so getting pictures was a bit of a bother.




Some of the original instruments they have been able to find for the aircraft.
To represent the war years, they have a fantastic Macchi 205 on display. To my eye it is one of the most beautiful fighters of the Second World War. I just wish there was one flying, how beautiful would that be!



For the post war years they had this stunningly beautiful SAI Ambrosini Super S7. I have to admit not having seen an aircraft like that before, but it sure is beautiful and with performance to match it if the information boards are to be believed. All made of wood!

There were some aircraft engines on show to highlight the development in aero engines. Most of them were inaccessible for photography, but I did manage to get this Antoinette engine pretty well, if I do say so myself! It produced all of 24 horsepower!

Now it is the inter-war years. First up is this Breda 15


Next up in the Magni P.M 3/4 Vale. An aircraft I´d never seen before, it was apparently a sports and training aircraft built in 1934.

Now for something less obscure! The Cievera Autogyro

Next up is the Macchi Nieuport Ni-10. Somewhat confuseingly the information boards present this machine as THE first Nieuport built by Macchi. In my mind, without having investigated further, I would say that something was lost in translation and what they actually mean is that this is the first aircraft TYPE built by Macchi.


The next aircraft is a complete mystery to me. I´ve never heard of it before and never seen anything like it before. It is the Ricci 6. The information board was of no help, as clearly the Italian and English versions were for different aircraft judging by the years mentioned on them! I believe this is a replica that was flown at some point. Any information appreciated!

G-ORDY,
That is odd indeed! I was not awere of a complete set of Miles M.2 Hawk drawings. I´ve talked at some lengths with Peter Amos regarding Miles drawings and what I said earlier was what he told me. Maybe the Hawk drawings were not mentioned because they were not what I was after. If I´ve got this wrong I appologize!
I would really like to find one of those “air pockets” one of those days. I´m sure they are all filled with money ;):D
I think you should have a word with the chaps at the Berkshire Aviation Museum at Woodley. They are rebuilding the Martinet and are sure to know something about instrument panels!
http://home.comcast.net/~aero51/html/
If you take a look at the photos of the Martinet restoration,
http://home.comcast.net/~aero51/html/exhibits/martinet_restoration.htm
you can see that they have a fully kitted out instrument panel for the aircraft. As the Master and Martinet were basically the same airframe I would not be surprised if the panel was interchangeble between aircraft. If no drawings surface to help you, I´m sure they would let you measure up the panel if you ask them nicely :p:D:D
I wouldn’t mind betting that there are also Miles Drawings about as well
cheers
Well, that would be really nice thing to find, and hopefully you are right. However, after an intensive search for drawings of ANY Miles type by Peter Amos of the Miles Collection for decades, the chances are looking increasingly small 🙁
being the miles master was pretty much entirely made of wood, was the instrument panel made of wood, or was it the normal Aluminium 3mm sheet type as used in various other aircraft ??.. I only ask due to the aircraft being almost entirely made of wood.. apart from engine, controls U/C and ancillary parts :confused:
As this thread has turned into mud slinging, and no one has answered this question, I´ll give it a go!
The instrument panel in the Master (and the Martinet) was made of aluminium. The exact thickness, I do not know, but 3 mm sounds about right.
Engine needs a bit of work..
Looks like the rest of it needs a little bit of work too :eek::D:D
Thank you very much for taking the time to make this. It is fantastic!