… only a little.
My points are:
1. The relative difficulty of English contributes to the illiteracy issue … some other languages don’t encounter this problem to the same extent.
2. For most of it’s “life” English has not been bound by fixed/common spelling and gramatical rules, that is a recent phenomenon … that may not last.
As a related aside, another digression 😉 others above have commented on this … the advent of the ‘net, and Google in particular, adds further to the wider literacy context. I was talking to my 16 yo son a couple of days ago about his high school maths curriculum. I made the observation that later in life, in work, one nearly never uses all that algebra etc. But it sets a basis for comprehension. I told him I’d spent 5-10 minutes, on a whiteboard, reverse engineering a cagr equation to solve a growth rate puzzle I had re. our revenues and market share. You know that thing you do where you spin the equation around to figure out a different component of it? Anyway he looked at me amazed and said “why didn’t you Google it?”. Bloody hell! I Google a lot of things … but an equation? To my mind … that is an outrage! Where is the spirit of enquiry? Figure something out for heaven’s sake!
… only a little.
My points are:
1. The relative difficulty of English contributes to the illiteracy issue … some other languages don’t encounter this problem to the same extent.
2. For most of it’s “life” English has not been bound by fixed/common spelling and gramatical rules, that is a recent phenomenon … that may not last.
As a related aside, another digression 😉 others above have commented on this … the advent of the ‘net, and Google in particular, adds further to the wider literacy context. I was talking to my 16 yo son a couple of days ago about his high school maths curriculum. I made the observation that later in life, in work, one nearly never uses all that algebra etc. But it sets a basis for comprehension. I told him I’d spent 5-10 minutes, on a whiteboard, reverse engineering a cagr equation to solve a growth rate puzzle I had re. our revenues and market share. You know that thing you do where you spin the equation around to figure out a different component of it? Anyway he looked at me amazed and said “why didn’t you Google it?”. Bloody hell! I Google a lot of things … but an equation? To my mind … that is an outrage! Where is the spirit of enquiry? Figure something out for heaven’s sake!
A prime example being the German method of adding words together. Welsh does that. The English will allow a more correct method to evolve.
A “more correct method” ?
Funnily enough I was going to to give the example of Luftwaffe (given this forum and being by definition a fairly recent concept) … obviously made up of luft (air) and waffe (fighting force). Think here also of Lufthansa and Nina Hagen’s wonderful 99 Luftbalons and Waffen SS … and etc.
So I reached for the more correct English form to create the counter-point … and lo and behold, it’s Airforce.
Perhaps English is now also adopting the logical form?
A prime example being the German method of adding words together. Welsh does that. The English will allow a more correct method to evolve.
A “more correct method” ?
Funnily enough I was going to to give the example of Luftwaffe (given this forum and being by definition a fairly recent concept) … obviously made up of luft (air) and waffe (fighting force). Think here also of Lufthansa and Nina Hagen’s wonderful 99 Luftbalons and Waffen SS … and etc.
So I reached for the more correct English form to create the counter-point … and lo and behold, it’s Airforce.
Perhaps English is now also adopting the logical form?
English is illogical ?
I heard an interesting discussion on the radio the other day. A linguist was talking about the English language and the difficulties people, not only English speaking children but especially foreign language students, have with learning English.
An issue is that it is illogical. The comparison was given with German which uses a simple technique of adding words together to create new words of more complex meaning. In contrast, English has many words with fine distinctions of meaning and all sorts of spelling and phonic “same but different” issues. Classics like through and thou and though … and so it goes. The linguist noted this is due to a couple of key factors …
– the mix of invasions and languages etc. over time
– the point that most English was spoken and there were no dictionaries until (relatively) recently.
Briefly on that that last point, she noted that the idea that a word must have fixed spelling is a very recent phenomemon. I grew up with the 3 R’s and find comfort in “correct” spelling and grammar but I (and by extension many of you) are not representative of the English speaking peoples over time.
Back to my earlier point about German simply assembling complex words from smaller words. She gave me to understand that if you wanted to create a concept for a “small house with a large black door” the German language simply assembles the new word in that manner. Certainly I’ve seen many long-winded German words that appear to follow that dictum.
She then extended this point to note that; English is unique in requiring and testing learners on spelling and grammar, other languages are so much simpler to work with that these actions are redundant for their students.
Interesting debate.
English is illogical ?
I heard an interesting discussion on the radio the other day. A linguist was talking about the English language and the difficulties people, not only English speaking children but especially foreign language students, have with learning English.
An issue is that it is illogical. The comparison was given with German which uses a simple technique of adding words together to create new words of more complex meaning. In contrast, English has many words with fine distinctions of meaning and all sorts of spelling and phonic “same but different” issues. Classics like through and thou and though … and so it goes. The linguist noted this is due to a couple of key factors …
– the mix of invasions and languages etc. over time
– the point that most English was spoken and there were no dictionaries until (relatively) recently.
Briefly on that that last point, she noted that the idea that a word must have fixed spelling is a very recent phenomemon. I grew up with the 3 R’s and find comfort in “correct” spelling and grammar but I (and by extension many of you) are not representative of the English speaking peoples over time.
Back to my earlier point about German simply assembling complex words from smaller words. She gave me to understand that if you wanted to create a concept for a “small house with a large black door” the German language simply assembles the new word in that manner. Certainly I’ve seen many long-winded German words that appear to follow that dictum.
She then extended this point to note that; English is unique in requiring and testing learners on spelling and grammar, other languages are so much simpler to work with that these actions are redundant for their students.
Interesting debate.
TIGHAR
Locations are being scouted at present …
Sounds great.
Where will she land … that last time?
On a coral reef perhaps?
Heres a pic to wet the appetite!
Sorry … the pedant in me just had to laugh.
Whet (verb) – to make keen or more acute
this is an upper 🙂
Wet (verb) – to make wet, douse with water
and this is a downer 🙁
That aside, good work bringing this to wider attention. I love the Gannet for some curious reason, (had a model of one as a kid perhaps that’s a part of it). There’s an ungainly beauty to them.
Yes, there’s definitely some sort of automatic “inactivity” logout – and it doesn’t seem to count replying to a thread as activity – presumably because there’s no interaction while you sit there composing your thoughts and typing and editing them. But I don’t know how long the duration is.
Yes, there’s definitely some sort of automatic “inactivity” logout – and it doesn’t seem to count replying to a thread as activity – presumably because there’s no interaction while you sit there composing your thoughts and typing and editing them. But I don’t know how long the duration is.
A key read
That’s a remarkable article – long, it takes about an hour to get through – but IMHO required reading for anyone who likes to contemplate the morality of bombing – and especially for those who like to expound on it !!!
spare a thought for Ian
Tony Wilson introduces a most interesting new sound …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LdEM9xhMUM
spare a thought for Ian
Tony Wilson introduces a most interesting new sound …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LdEM9xhMUM
ooh ah lark this thread … the toob is such a playground.
Listen to this ukelele gently weeping http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puSkP3uym5k
ooh ah lark this thread … the toob is such a playground.
Listen to this ukelele gently weeping http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puSkP3uym5k