Thanks Dave T … appreciate that, cheers Don
I wish it would be made clear, Peter Jackson is not directing it. Co-producing it, yes I cannot remember the chaps name but he was 2nd director on King Kong and has worked with PJ for years.
Christian Rivers
see this post http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showpost.php?p=999504&postcount=33
in this thread http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?p=999504#post999504
… London woithout her is not London.
Appreciate your sentiments but IMHO that’s going a bit far … there’s a lot more to London than a famous ship or two …
… London woithout her is not London.
Appreciate your sentiments but IMHO that’s going a bit far … there’s a lot more to London than a famous ship or two …
Makes a lot of sense, thanks everyone. D
I should add aeronut, that what we have here is a VERY UNUSUAL circumstance, hence the volume of accessible information.
– the majority of Lancasters shot down took their crews with them, for all to survive was rare indeed
– le Havre was an atypical target
– we have the Canadian link
– etc.
BOMBER HIT 3 TIMES IN 10 SECONDS
Aeronut … Google is the most amazing thing. I put in “405 squadron rcaf evaded le havre” and found this …
http://www.airmuseum.ca/mag/0503.html
On this page is an excerpt from the “Mountain Viewpoint Newsletter of RCAF Station, Mountain View, Ont. Vol 2 – No. 25, August 1945”. That’s almost a year later.
It describes an “incident over Le Havre [that] was the only one out of the ordinary” for a 405 Squadron pathfinder crew, all but one Canadians. Sound familiar? Although there is no date given (for the incident) chances are it’s the same crew/incident (how many others would there be? A. none). There’s an interesting description of what happened and the names of all the crew.
You might strike it lucky and be able to get in touch with one of them or their descendants
Good luck, cheers Don
In these sorts of investigations, a good starting point is
http://www.lostbombers.co.uk/
There you enter the bomber type (“Lancaster”) and the date/s and and you’ll get the answers Andy gave you (is this what you did Andy?). Then click through on each aircraft (thumbnail pic) and you’ll get details. One of the four returned to the UK and crash landed, two of the four crashed over Europe killing their crews, one of the four – PA970 of 405 squadron RCAF – crashed and the crew evaded. As Andy says, this is almost certainly the crew you’re interested in. Don
The standard crew compliment of a B-17 was 10
Crew: 10: Pilot, co-pilot, navigator, bombardier/nose gunner, flight engineer-top turret gunner, radio operator, waist gunners (2), ball turret gunner, tail gunner
see … http://www.arizonawingcaf.com/pages/crew.html
Incredible as it seems – did someone survive that?
43-37 883
found here
http://www.486th.org/Aircraft/B17Index4.htm
lost November 2, 1944, 9 crew KIA (does that mean one survived?)
And Moggy, yes the code/marking for the 486th was a big W (have a look in the website I’ve just referenced above
I hope that these eye-witness memories of a young lad ‘mad on aeroplanes’ may be of interest.
Fascinating … Don
B-58
Mobryan’s kind of right. The B-58 was designed as an extremely high speed, high altitude bomber. But as Soviet air defences became more effective at altitude (both interceptors and SAMS) that tactic became less viable. So alternative ideas were contemplated including low level. And iron bombs. Not sure if stand-off weapons were considered or could be carried. Anyway fundamentally what happened is the B-58 was not suitable at low altitude because of its integral wing tanks (vulnerability to AA) and, given it’s primary role [high altitude] was also no longer viable, it had become obsolete and was therefore phased out. Also a very expensive aircraft to operate, but that’s secondary.
I opened a thread recently about the B-58 prototype http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=69710 and in it Bager1968 gave us a link to Joe Baugher’s excellent website about the B-58 … check it out http://home.att.net/~jbaugher2/b58.html
Classic Wings?
Sounds fascinating to me Roger. You could maybe pm DaveM2 and ask him if he’d be interested in the article for Classic Wings. There’s quite a Netherlands contingent in NZ. cheers D
Not so
I understand your disappointment but do not share it.
As is often enough discussed here for most of us to now have a grasp on it … copyright in a photograph rests with the photographer. If you’re going to display something interesting/noteworthy to a photographer you must expect it to be shown to someone else. Unless of course you manage to claim/maintain ownership of all images taken (as some attempt to do) or ban photography as a quid-pro-quo of sighting (ie. as a contract, be that verbal or written, eg. on an admission ticket or similar).
There is no case to blame the messenger unless he/she broke such a contract. Was there an explicit “thou shalt not publish” contract?
And as one of the thousands of members all around the globe, I’m pleased and interested to see what PA474 looks like and couldn’t give a toss about when or how the image is “unveiled” or revealed (because I’m bleedin miles away).
‘ere, ‘av a cone
I note the intriguing bomb markings on the nose. Some yellow, some red, some that look for all the world like ice cream cones. que?