JDK – what on earth are you doing in Sale? It’s beyond the black stump π
This is either the bit where gnome oversteps the mark and gets sent to Coventry or JDK realises the error of his ways and agrees wholeheartedly :rolleyes:
Much more importantly, who’s that in the tail (last photo above)? :diablo:
Hmmm … pros
– by then the U-boats were doing a pretty good job
– only other front – Africa
cons …
– UK’s fighter defence well prepared
– still no decent strategic weaponry/aircraft in (Hitler’s) arsenal
– still loss of pilots problem fighting over enemy territory
I think it was 1940 (ie. catch them semi-unprepared) or not bother.
Option may have been to make UK sorties punitive (in terms of losses etc.) and therefore end up stalemating. Think however UK/Churchill would’ve succeeded in gaining US support in due course. Certainly political support which might have pressured Hitler to (maybe) ease back borders. Would be interesting if it had stalemated – what then? When would the bear have growled?
Bill and Ben
Charles and Di
Iβm not sure what bias Martin Middlebrook has. I once spent a week pounding the battlefields of Gallipoli with him and heβs quite an unusual character.
Heβs got a knack of rubbing most people up the wrong way in the shortest possible time to a degree that Iβve rarely seen. However he is totally sincere in his devotion to veterans of all wars and gets quite emotional about the loss of men in battle.
Heβs a great historian and writes from the heart as well as the mind.
Iβm not sure he has too much of an axe to grind in favour of the establishment, but I could be wrong there.
Many thanks Andy
My comment re. bias not at al personal, I’ve never met the man. I did write to him once and got a fairly short (both meanings of the word) response – probably the millionth similar question π My observation is more about the perspective he takes which is very supportive of the various decisions taken by Portal, Harris et al – supportive in that he accepts them without seriously critiquing them (in the manner I might have expected a historical author to do). Perhaps on reflection the bias is mine! I may do a spot on navel gazing on that one.
I agree re. the emotional connection and devotion to the task – empathy is perhaps the right term. I very much respect that. And IMHO there is a positive to his non-critiquing narrative style, it results in a simple lay out of the events from which the reader can draw his/her own conclusions.
All the best, Don
I agree Mike J I think they look fantastic. Let’s face it, as soon as the war was over “warbirds” got painted in all sorts of non-camoflage or civilian schemes. Doubt anyone could argue they weren’t authentic. IMHO if you own something, you can paint it what you like and that becomes an authentic scheme. If you attempt to copy a prior scheme and get it wrong, that’s not authentic.
Robbo, is it good words or pics?
Yo, Robbo … over here. Should I be buying this book? π
A6M2 and F4F
‘scuse my antipodean ignorance – where is that? Looks like a good place to visit.
I think it’s called bigamy when you have both a wife and a husband
I doubt it Dave – it be dark at night. π
Andy
Very interesting on a number of fronts …
1. That so far you’re finding Deighton reasonably accurate (or informed, or something lke that)
2. Your italics above re. the rationale for the May 15 raid … emphasing Deighton’s point/slant that perhaps the justification for the raid/s came AFTER rather than before .. I have no idea (short of minutes of the War Cabinet) how that could be resolved … all that said Terraine is arguing a similar same thing (encourage = invite the Luftwaffe to bomb England)
3. Middlebrook (in particular) and Everitt have their own biases. They are very pro the strategic bombing campaign and they tend simply to tell the story of what happened, not why. So yes, the May raids were very important, in an event sense – they were the beginning of a major multi-year campaign. But that doesn’t address/question the why.
Is this what I/we want? Frankly yes, but if you’re lucky :rolleyes: you may find that Deighton is sufficiently on the money that your workload will not be large after all !!! π My advice, focus only on significant errors or omissions.
Next up the 109. That’ll be interesting. Deighton makes much of weaknesses in the wings (high wing loading), cannons and of course the big bug-bear ~ fuel capacity=range.
Many, many thanks Andy, regards Don
Scottish forum meat – haggis?
Stay calm folks – all the clique stuff is IRONY – a quaint form of English humour – much appreciated in the colonies :rolleyes:
Who flew the Corsair?
Keith Skilling … nice photo’s from your mate Turbo π