BTW – there is hope for us yet. I’ve been thinking that I’d like to go get my ppl but, you know, in my 40’s and all that. Well get out of the garden gnome. The commentator was raving on about how fit you have to be to fly serious aerobatics, what with all the +/- 6Gs and so on. Tells us how fit the nutcase pilot of the Giles 202 (Doug Brooker) is and then drops in that he’s 60! Holy sheet, there’s time for me to pull my finger out 😉
Dave Yes and Yes. Keith Skilling, Stars ‘n bars. GREAT flying I tell you!!!
Red nosed gnome
Got burned to a cinder (lovely day 😎 ) and snapped off a roll (yes only one bein’ non-pro and all) on the Nikon. And took an arbitrary array of shots and movs on the Sony but it was so bright I couldn’t see the screen to see what I was doing. Wil post the SLR stuff when developed and CD’d. And have a couple of passable digi shots I’ll put up when I figure out how to get past the 100k limit (taVM Robbo, will try otherwise crop/shrink).
Lot’s of good stuff. Highlights pour moi …
FG-1 Corsair – it was flying about with a bunch of other WWII metal but it ruled. Lovely high speed lowlevel wingovers on the flight line.
Maniac in the Giles aerobatic thing – painted purple with the word NUT on the fuselage. Tail sliding all the way down to inverted 6G loop … arrgghhh
2 Vampires whizzing about the place in mini formation … squeeeeeeeooosh
And the ag pilot redefining what it means to fly at 50ft (as in, drop the zero guys) 😉
Pics to follow … cheers D
The original designation for the helicopter was the XH-40.
Later, during the DoD designation system overhaul of 1962 it became the HU-1 (Helicopter Utility) under an interim Army-only system.
That was later revised to Utility Helicopter (when the standard DoD-wide system was adpoted by the Army).
So, HU turned into Huey.
At Wings over Wairarapa today a Huey displayed – the commentator gave this description of “where the name came from” almost word for word. I thought to myself – ‘e reads the forum!
And here’s a pic of the man himself (taken from the above website). William Wyler
part of the answer JDK – quoting from the website below … name of the camerman and interesting (as yet unsubstantiated) fact that it happened on the Belle’s 25th mission … wonder how many missions the other aircraft was up to?
http://www.455th.ukpc.net/tomfeise/455th/wwyler.htm
On 19 May 1943, Wyler was aboard the ‘Memphis Belle’ on her final mission to Kiel. During this raid, the B17 carrying Harrold Tannebaum was shot down and Wyler had the sad duty of informing Tannebaum’s parents.
edit … as before, I suspect somebody with access to Freeman’s big book should be able to figure out the rest of the puzzle (aircraft probably from same bomb squadron, certainly same bomb group, on that day … etc.)
Anyone got access to Roger Freeman’s Mighty Eighth War Diaries? The real “first B17 to achieve 25 missions” is featured there. I read about it just a few weeks back when I had the book out from library.
edit. Found it googling (but wasn’t as straightforward as can be)
“Hell’s Angels” (41-24577) of the 303rd “Hell’s Angels” Bomb Group (H), was the first B17 to complete 25 missions
Pre-emptive Moggy strike. It is so historic! So there! :p
And thanks J Boyle … U – he becomes Huey. Very nice.
Who’s “Marge” Geedee? Familiar face – famous movie star?
Delving back up the thread a wee touch … has anyone here got any comments about Zeppelin? I followed Dave’s link and see that although the plot sounds pretty interesting (double agent, divided loyalties, a Zeppelin bombing raid) it comes out as a 5/10 in reviews. Too much left unsaid/unanswered apparently and maybe a bit melodramatic. Any “reviews” from folks here?
Thanks Rob..
And you could be right AJ … except I wonder …
Are Bell still making them, or making parts, or are their numbers in slow decline??
Silly buggers LOL :rolleyes: Farterland (oops – genuine typo, honest) Fatherland was better.
As to invasions of UK and USSR. IIRC Hitler wanted to defeat Russia (totally). Hated Slavs as he termed them, and Communism. Thought he would have a quick campaign on the back of seemingly invincible 1939 and 1940 blitzkreig experiences. Therefore, inter alia, didn’t equip his forces for a Russian winter (read Beevor – Stalingrad). Also insisted on surrounding and fighting Stalingrad stronghold when he could have bypassed. At that time his northern forces were within (not sure exactly) short distance of pushing on to Moscow. All that said, JDK is bang on with his “we in the West …” point.
As for UK, dear Mr Deighton summing up in the book at the centre of this thread, suggests Hitler would have considered his Western front subdued and under control. No invasion from the UK was viable (for years), the RAF bomber strikes were pinpricks (volume and accuracy), his U-boat force was going to cut off supply and the USA was not involved. Reasonable short-term assertions all. Which is all he needed, the Russian campaign was going to be short (blitzkreig). Ergo …
Sauron
Rarely if ever is there a full perspective of history offered or visible. I have stated how it looks to my eyes. In so far as (by definition) I am looking backwards then yes it may well be “revisionist” as you put it. But of course you didn’t mean it that way, teaming the word with rubbish demeans my input.
If you believe I have erred factually please offer the alternative facts.
And DON”T INSULT ME by implying that I have a problem with the Jewish people or their religion. I do not. For one thing I am an atheist and don’t worry about other people’s religious beliefs. For another I perceive that most, if not all, religions refer to the same God, they merely assign different weight to various prophets. Again, that is of no concern to me.
Oh boy … no one answered because it is a minefiled. Oh well, here goes.
My issue (can’t speak for anyone else) is not with Jews, it is with Israel. Israel is a created zionist state, and zionism is the idea of creating a homeland “zion” for inhabitation by chosen persons (happens to be Jews, could be any particular self-selecting group). I struggle re. the Israel that has emerged from that thesis on many fronts …
1. its very creation by well meaning apologists post war – conscious of their failure to receive refugees from Nazi Germany in the 30’s and yet failing to recognise the pattern of repetition unfolding (the UK in particular, take a bow)
2. the fact that this was done by displacing the people living there at the time
3. the fact that aggressive expansion by that state has been unchecked by the powerful nations of the world (despite UN general assembly resolutions that it be checked), mainly because the US holds Security Council veto and wants a pro-US strong state in the region
4. the fact that that state is practising the very thing that it was setup to escape from – namely systematic demonising and removal from influence of a sub-populace that is not the ruling populace (the world has seen that before)
5. and now a security wall (the world has seen that before too)
In summary, I do not subscribe to racist or religious superiority and the modern state of Israel has become a defacto exemplar of that.
Would I rather it lost US support and was blasted apart in a bloody war (that would undoubtedly include nukes)? No. We have moved on from 1948, let Israel exist, but let it give back the lands it has usurped since 1967 and allow an independent Palestinian state on its (reduced) borders.
I had one of those, a Series II V12. It was a great open road car, but a maintenance nightmare – cost me mega$$$. No way would I call it a dream – nightmare 😮