There’s a thread running on Steve Fossett himself over on the GA Forum. Please can we restrict this one to the nature of the aircraft they are finding and any historical significance?

Moggy
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Sorry High Commander
Phil.
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Newark has made a bit of a start with:

Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23ML “Flogger” 024003607 “07”

Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-27K “Flogger” 61912507006 “71”

http://www.newarkairmuseum.org/aircraftlist.htm

Although ‘on-loan’ from North Wales perhaps doesn’t really count!

Didn’t know the Welsh flew Migs:)

It’s now “asymmetric” conflict – overwhelming equipment superiority v.They Shall Not Pass, good v.evil. The sherrif v.Billy. Malta’s Gladiators pressed on; so for while did Malaya Buffalos. So did Kamikazes. So would V-Force, like their Dads to the Ruhr. If Galland’s kit had been better than Leigh-Malory’s – FW190, or say, if Merlin had not come good by 1938, so like France/Belgium we had Hawks, or wooden Miles M.20…The (very)Few would have Kept B***ering On. More Detlings, more Plymouths. Either:
1. our Betters would have taken the deal – sea for us, land and Open Trade for the Axis, so they could purge Bolshevism for us; or:
2. after hurting us till winter, Hitler would have turned to the East. UK as an irrelevant pocket (like Channel Is./U-Boat ports, enclaves left in 1944 to starve). Regia Aeronautica’s admirable work v.RAF would have puffed Musso, so he would not have bothered with Greece. No Threat in rear: Axis would have poured its all into Barbarossa in April,1941 and defeated General Winter.

It’s the same as cussed US after Pearl not accepting the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere – just a flattering replica of the Monroe Doctrine. It was the resources of USSR that the over-populated, under-fed Axis wanted: from West and South, Germany plus its allies Bulgaria/Croatia/Finland/Hungary/Italy/Rumania/Slovenia/Slovakia/Spain/Turkey/Vichy piling in, victualled by Argentina/ Sweden/Switzerland; from East and South, Japan/Thailand,+coolies and Koreans. The brief campaigns against us were irritants, distracting the Crusade for Civilisation.

The great What if of WW2 has US/League of Nations recognising this evangelism, so not attempting Trade sanctions that provoked seizure of materiel that could not be bought, and acceleration of the Drang nach Osten. Axis’ May 1939 Pact of Steel planned that for 1942. Stalin told his August Congress that Imperialist-Finance aided that, to explain his Faustian Pact, carving up Poland &tc to build a cordon sanitaire. So: if: UK had been humbled, autumn 1940 (and if USN carriers had been in port 7/12/41), USSR, thus communism, would have expired by mid-1942.

(Some of this is Marxist revisionism, endorsing the dictator-dominator. Absolute power does corrupt absolutely. Our boys done well).

Now if some of you didn’t get that, It’s on Teletext page 210:eek:

[/QUOTE]An East German KGB spy Herbert Stienbrecher, was running agents inside the French concorde assembly plants, the French were forced to admit that Steinbrecher’s agents had acquired for the Russians every detail of the Anglo-french concorde’s advanced electronic systems. [/QUOTE]

If this is true how come the Russians approached the UK Gov for an export license for BAC/Normalair Intake control system in 1975? Why did the aircraft not have Carbon Brakes? Why did the aircraft only achieve M2 cruise with reheat? .[/QUOTE]

It’s true because as stated above the French Goverment admitted it after DST and MI6 gave them the facts about steinbrecher’s involvement. Of course
the Russians would try and buy technology though the normal channels, but it didn’t stop them trying to get it by other means, the Russians also had two Spy’s in the Kodak Company in Britain, Alfred Roberts and Godfrey Conway.
So the simple fact is no the Russians weren’t as clever as you seen to think,
they had agents all over Europe in the fiftys sixtys and seventys, Oh and as for THE BOMB you might try looking up the names klaus fuchs and Alan Nun May two people who were found to be passing Atomic Bomb secrets to the
Russians in the early fortys, it’s be said that Fuch’s practically gave Moscow
the Bomb, Concorde’s Carbon Brakes, they might not have had an agent in
that Department:D Peter Wright and Chapman Pincher are places to find
stuff that never ever made the Papers.
Regards Phil.

Bit Ironic that would be as they told Wilson to cancel it in the first place! :diablo: Or was it the Yanks ??:dev2: Never been too sure on that point.
Be lucky
David

Spot on, read spycatcher, Wilson was KGB as was Roger hollis Head of Mi5 or 6 with them to in charge what chance did TSR-2 have.
phil.

I’ll cut to the point. Such an opinion has to be a joke. The videos I have of the lightnings at Bruntingthorpe make everyone in my local cinema club jump back in fright. And if (unlikely, but if) the CAA did a u turn and said “yeah fly what the hell you like”, it would make the job a lot easier. Also if the a/c is kept servicable but the owner goes bust it can still be ferried abroad.

Keeping the a/c live surely keeps the damp out?

They are far more use to the TV and film industry, when kept in ground running condition. Which is serious income.

Need I go on?

You see what I mean “Such an opinion has to be a joke” Why because
it flys in the face of your Opinion, you just might understand if I tell you
that I have film of a lightning doing a fast pass at 50ft then going vertical,
now that makes you jump, I also remember walking home from school in
the late fiftys at Coningsby when a bl**dy great shadow went over me
and the ground shuck or is it shook, that was the first time i’d seen a
Victor, that must have been at 50-60ft as well. I remember a Vulcan display
at Heaton park near manchester flying so low he blew a wall down on the
climb out, plus hundreds of other such things. So forgive me for not getting
to excited about taxy runs. Anyway my post about what goes on at these
places and the dig about the things they do, was me puting another side to
the story. I know all the hard work these people put in to getting these
Aircraft to run, the point is nobody knocks them for doing it and so it should be. So why then when other people want to “God Forbid” get one
flying, armchair critics come out of the woodwork and give in there opinion
a thousand reasons why there wasting there time and money, It’s those
a**eholes that make me want to throw up, so to the people who i’ve
offended I apologize.
Regards Phil.

And so has your arrogance!!!

John.

O so it’s arrogant of me to say what I think, but it’s all right for the 558 knockers to tell them that the money would be better spent on museum
pieces, I do respect what you do but sorry if I don’t get bleary eyed at
seeing a Victor or Vulcan doing fast taxy, What part of Opinion don’t you
understand, it’s MY thoughts it’s no big deal at the end of the day.
Regards Phil.