Burger,

F-3 ADV a pointless aircraft?. Disagree with that one mate. The only other aircraft that could have fitted the requirement met by ADV was the F-14 and that was evaluated and rejected as being too expensive. As such, in its role, the F3 was a decent platform!

I will have to respectully disagree with you here my friend. I mean don’t you wish this was true..

plus if it gotten the F-14D upgrade.. it probably would’ve rid itself of the need of two different Tornado variants, save costs from withdrawing from Panavia, and use the money to develop the single engined BAe P.106, which would’ve thrown away the need for both Tornado and Typhoon and still maintain an indigenous program until 5th generation capability arrives 🙂

cheers.

Mirage F.1 – the Gauls had their Haguar and Mirage III and they were still potent enough, why have a Mirage F.1

F-35 – a pig can’t be both a dart or a wart hog.

FC-1 – the J-10 is what people really want, people do not want another short legged F-20 wannabe. Even pakistan has stated that it wanted something more.

most aircraft in the 50’s.

Tornado ADV

Well Venezuela has very little options for fighters. I don’t think they have the funds to buy French in quantity, and I know they want to avoid Americano. That leaves them with Chinese and Russian. But China is only exporting 2nd-3rd generation air craft, it’s hyped up 4th generation is either not in production, or not exportable, and by the time they will be, there will be other options.

Russia is good.. I don’t think they need the range of the Su-3X, although i think it is a better deal.

but let’s get to the chase.

You get the MiG-29M, M2, you will have to wait a while for it to be delivered. There’s no production line for them.

You get the MiG-29SMT, it’s not as advance as a newly built M2, M, but you can get it now. MiG still has some white tail spares and can just upgrade them.

What has boresight do with BVR fight?

everything camel jockey, how does it not deal with a bvr fight, huh chump?

Acceleration comes under agility or speed? From dassualt site it takes Mirage 5 minutes to reach Mach 1.8 and 36000 feet but once it is there it is fast jet but initial response is slow as compared to F-16 or Gripen.
Regarding BVR fight there is report in Aviation Week about SA and US exercisies where later version of AIM-120 superiority is established over R-Darter ( Darter has similar range to MICA). So any F-16 equiped with AIM-120C will be the first to fire the missile due its greater range. So first shot is to F-16.

PS I am not saying anything about French tech. They are the top of the line in this busiess but this combination is not match to F-16 Amraam Combo.

hey camel breath,

ever factor in the high boresight and envelope the Mica can engage targets in? it’s superior over to the latest AMRAAM, even though it is inferior in range, it has it’s weakness and advantages. Too bad children here think range is the only factor in determining the “best missile” while ignoring elements such as boresight, ECM, etc :rolleyes:

Continuing in a way from the F/A-22 crash thread, let’s examine how much “right” the US has to be procuring the F/A-22. F/A-22 unit cost, right now, stands at $132 million USD, not $250 million. The cost of the EF-2000, for comparison, stands at 63 million Euro per, or around $84 million USD.

Scott, your BSing astounds me to no bounds! I can’t believe what you just said!

The Typhoon is at least $94 million 😀

take THAT

wuahahahahahaha :dev2:

Hamburger, the Il-78 is ok as a tanker, but it is expensive to operate (high maintainance requirements, thirsty engines), noisy (low crew-comfort) and offers less fuel. Infact, with a 92 ton max. freight payload the Il-96 (if it’s the T) promises to be an outstanding tanker. The only advantage for the Il-78 I can see is its capability to operate from ill prepared strips, but tankers are too valuable an asset to be flown from frontal airfields anyway.

Most of the same advantages apply to an AWACS version, come to think of it. However, in this case the huge Il-96M airframe would be overkill and the 300 more appropriate.

sounds reasonable to me, do ya have figures for operation costs, range, etc between the two mate?
I think the Il-96M would make a good airframe for a new laser system